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Yes we have a partially socialized system. There is one big difference between Medicaid and Universal Health Care.

When someone is talking about "Universal" health care,(which the Democrat-Socialist are), they are talking about government health care for everyone...no limits, no rules, no cut offs and that is when the tipping will really begin. Right now I do not have access to Medicaid (I'm too rich) or to Medicare (I'm too young), but under Universal everyone will be covered by Medicaid (Universal Health Care essentially = Medicaid expansion)...until pretty soon no one can afford not to want it. Right now only a small portion of people are under government care and providers can survive...most will not be able to when everyone is covered by Medicaid.

Medicaid, Medicare and the VA are examples of government run care...Are they run well? None of those programs are known for providing stellar health care or great access. Most of us are happy that we are not under those systems so why expand them? (side note: Medicare is bankrupt..so how will the government keep ALL of medicine solvent when they can't even keep a small portion solvent?)

There is one last thing: Even if socialized medicine worked world wide (provided the best care to the people and allowed for unlimited access). Even if, as the Dem-Socialist believe, all we need is the right people in charge to reform the system and run it right, there is still one problem: The forgotten man. How it is right, ethical to enslave an entire profession? How is it right to make another man labor so you can have "free" health care? Washington does not generate an income they TAKE from others to provide their vote buying hand outs. Freedom is the biggest reason to fight Universal health care.

All good points. Maybe I’m a pessimist about all of this, but I am seeing a slow but steady slide in the direction of universal health care. And a bipartisan slide at that. Who out there is pushing things in the opposite direction?

We have a conservative (one can argue that point) president who pushed a big Medicare drug plan. Dems are pushing SCHIP but Bush would be happy with a watered down version of that. The slide continues...

I think the tipping point happened long ago when government and employers took over the financial responsibility for health and health care from the people.

Once the entitlement genie is out of the bottle, good luck getting her back in...