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George W. Bush and Melville’s Ahab: Discuss!
New York Times ^ | October 21, 2007 | Stanley Fish

Posted on 10/24/2007 8:56:38 AM PDT by Lorianne

At the end of my previous column on Evan Maloney’s documentary “Indoctrinate U,” I invoked the American Association of University Professors’ 1915 statement on academic freedom. In the years since 1915, the AAUP has revisited the topic and issued new or qualifying definitions like this one, from the statement of 1940:

Teachers are entitled to freedom in the classroom in discussing their subject, but they should be careful not to introduce into their teaching controversial matter which has no relation to their subject.

The problem is that it is not clear what is meant either by “relation” or “controversial.” What is needed are some principles and examples that would be a resource for those who are attempting to navigate these waters, and this is precisely what a new draft report by a subcommittee of the association promises to provide.

But the report gets off to a bad start when its authors allow the charge by conservative critics that left-wing instructors indoctrinate rather than teach to dictate their strategy. By taking it as their task to respond to what they consider a partisan attack, they set themselves up to perform as partisans in return, and that is exactly what they end up doing.

(Excerpt) Read more at fish.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ahab; bush
The comments following the article are interesting too.
1 posted on 10/24/2007 8:56:39 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
A liberal tool, but I love him nonetheless:

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2 posted on 10/24/2007 9:00:02 AM PDT by -=SoylentSquirrel=-
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To: Lorianne

Ahab harpooned the wrong fish.


3 posted on 10/24/2007 9:02:12 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I am a proud anti-invasion racist!)
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To: Lorianne

Evern if you disagree with him Fish is always interesting.


4 posted on 10/24/2007 9:02:48 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

I visited Melville’s house in Mass. a couple weeks ago, along with Dickinson’s and Emerson’s. Melville’s is a beautiful place in the Berkshires. But Dickinson’s is in Amherst, a hippy pinko commie town loaded with impeach Bush, end the war etc. posters everywhere. It made me sick.


5 posted on 10/24/2007 9:09:26 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Ft. Lauderdale, Florida)
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To: bicyclerepair
Melville was from NYC and Moby Dick is filled with NY references. There should be a Melville museum there.
6 posted on 10/24/2007 9:12:35 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Lorianne
Hillary R. Clinton and Melvile's White Whale: Compare and Contrast!




7 posted on 10/24/2007 9:16:33 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Lorianne

What’s green & slimy, and weighs 20 tons?

a.) Moby Snot
b.) Senator Clinton’s thighs
c.) Owen Wilson’s Secret Pain
d.) The senior senator from Massachusetts


8 posted on 10/24/2007 9:22:17 AM PDT by tumblindice (GIT OFF ME PA! Yer crushin' mah smokes.)
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To: Borges

The Whale is the first novel of American Literature.


9 posted on 10/24/2007 9:28:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Lorianne

I always thought Moby Dick was some kind of a Venereal Disease!


10 posted on 10/24/2007 9:29:23 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: Borges

I know Fish, and have read most of his work. As you say, he is highly intelligent, although usually wrongheaded. He is always interesting, but on the whole he has had a malevolent influence on the academy.

He’s right, here, of course. But, frankly, the problem is not to set rules for leftist academics to follow, because they won’t follow them. The problem is to break the absolute headlock that leftist academics have over higher education. Nobody else can get hired or achieve tenure any more, with a few accidental or remarkable exceptions.

It’s Gramsci’s forumula: Seize the levers of power. Once that has been done, rules like this become meaningless. Fish glances at the problem when he admits that there are a lot of Bush-haters in academia, but then he ignores it.

What he says about the rule is good, but no such rule can solve the problem of an institution that is overwhelmingly biased and ideological to an almost totalitarian degree.


11 posted on 10/24/2007 9:32:07 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lorianne
The comments are very interesting -- and awfully ironic, too: Fish drew out leftists like flies to a cowpie. One wonders how they'd have responded if Fish had invoked a "Bush vs. Churchill vs. Chamberlain" or "Bush vs. Truman" comparison.
12 posted on 10/24/2007 9:56:31 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Lorianne

Arhur “Pinocchio” Sulzburg and Melville’s Ahab: Discuss!


13 posted on 10/24/2007 10:48:24 AM PDT by DGHoodini
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To: Cicero

Grap the levers of Power. Almost impozssible to do. When I was at grad school in 1960 at the University of Texas, then ruled by a concervative board of governors, the professors of history and political science were mostly liberal. Most of the students I knew were already radical in opinion if not tone. They are the ones who took the tenured positions in the 1970s and have never let go.


14 posted on 10/24/2007 10:56:11 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

In my opinion it all started with dodging the draft during the Vietnam war. You could be deferred by going to graduate school, and first thing you know all these draft dodgers find themselves with PhDs, and they are professors.

Then they start using their positions to mobilize the students against the draft and the war. Most students naturally don’t want to be drafted either, so they are ready to listen to the message.

Once into the profession, these draft dodgers moved up and took over departments. Then they started screening out anyone who didn’t think as they did. Now they control many of the deanships and presidencies as well, so they are pretty much unremovable. And they are still making sure that like minded disciples move in to take their places when they retire.


15 posted on 10/24/2007 11:08:04 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

What you are saying about the draft-dogers is true. They also flooded the public schools. But the universities were already liberal, in part because during the ‘50s anyone with an ivy league degree was welcomed everywhere as these schools tried to maintain standards as enrollments rose and rose. As it was, many departments dropped their standards and awarded Phd”s —union cards—to many who were not really qualified. But my popint is that the climate of opinion was still liberal. The differencde was that the liberal professors still respected those professors who differeed with them and still gave conservativate applicants fair play. THAT changed during the seventies as the older professors retired and were replaced by radicals.


16 posted on 10/24/2007 11:32:08 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Lorianne
Hard to believe that Fish is arguing for non partisan objectivity and academic neutrality. Aren't we all supposed to be imprisoned by our interpretative schemes and any attempt to achieve critical distance is doom for failure? Is this the same Fish that says in his work There's No Such Thing as Free Speech and it's a Good Thing Too that "Whenever Reason is successfully invoked... the result will be a victory not for Reason but for the party that has managed to get the reasons that flow from its agenda identified with Reason as a general category."? In other words, the idea that Truth might guide reason is something unacceptable for Fish.
And the Ahab/Bush comparison is something I've already mentioned in a playful way on this site. Surprising that it can actually be considered a serious topic.
17 posted on 10/24/2007 11:35:42 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

the whale has better teeth and a nicer disposition...

teeman


18 posted on 10/24/2007 4:28:57 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: RobbyS

Yes. I graduated from Harvard in 1957. The faculty was largely liberal and secular, but they were also highly qualified. And there were many exceptions to the rule, who were respected by their colleagues and not just grudgingly tolerated.

Among others, I took a course on the politics and demographics of the Soviet Union that was extremely honest and revealing about the vile nature and methods of Communist oppression. Some of the most knowledgable Kremlin watchers of that time were at Harvard.

None of that is true now. The departments I am familiar with have all gone downhill, and they will not tolerate any breath of dissent, as we saw very clearly in the case of Summers.


19 posted on 10/24/2007 5:38:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Sad. My concern is: Can we survive as a leading nation If our “best” schools have been taken over by ideologues and incompetents?


20 posted on 10/24/2007 9:58:40 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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