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Half of US voters say never to Hillary: poll (We hate you, we really hate you)
AFP ^ | 10/23/07 | staff

Posted on 10/23/2007 6:34:51 AM PDT by teddyballgame

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To: Thermalseeker

Well, I wouldn’t say the popular vote is exactly meaningless. The electoral college system reduces the sway of the popular vote, and while it is statistically possible to win the election without having a popular majority, if you had 55%+ of voters who “hate” a candidate - they’re toast.


81 posted on 10/23/2007 8:02:30 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (You can't seriously tell me you think we need more laws, or that we don't already have too many.)
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To: teddyballgame
Gee, She's accomplished so much. Normally Americans cheer individual success.

She's the pelf-made presidential candidate.

82 posted on 10/23/2007 8:06:28 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: longtermmemmory

I support Fred in the primaries, but it he isn’t the nominee, I will vote for Rudy or Mitt or even God forbid McCain.

The Clinton machine has already done everything they can against Rudy in the senate election. Who knows what they have on Fred and the others.


83 posted on 10/23/2007 8:07:21 AM PDT by Soliton (Freddie T is the one for me! (c))
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To: teddyballgame
Older voters were the most hostile to the attorney and former first lady-turned US senator, who is seeking to become the first woman US president. Fifty-nine percent of those over 65 said they would never vote for Clinton, according to the survey which ranked leading Democratic and Republican hopefuls

Since older voters tend to vote in greater numbers than younger voters, this is even worse news for Hillary.

84 posted on 10/23/2007 8:09:58 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Soliton

you can do that.

however, Giuliani creates a third party split literally or virtually.

Even with the pragmatist vote. Giuliani still loses.


85 posted on 10/23/2007 8:14:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: kabar

make no mistake, this is not good news for Giuliani either.

Giuliani IS Hillary.


86 posted on 10/23/2007 8:15:55 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: cubreporter
The Dems think a vote for Hillary is really a 3rd term for Bill..Most of them don't like Hillary either.

sw

87 posted on 10/23/2007 8:23:51 AM PDT by spectre (spectre's wife)
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To: teddyballgame

Every candidate (and political party) has a “base” upon which he builds — the true base — after the various layers of swing and quasi-swing voters are peeled off.

Hillary is a uniquely polarizing figure. She has a large base, but also generates a remarkably high anti-base. The problem is that when you match her against Giuliani in these polls, she edges him out right now.

Like her husband, she is doing it with under 50% of the vote, the rest going to third party candidates. If Hillary’s anti-base is not united against her, then it won’t exceed the voting size of her pro-base and she wins.

Realistically, her “base” probably still has a few percent (a very few percent) that could be stripped away in a tough general election campaign, but few of those will be going to the Republican candidate.

It would appear to me that if even a couple percent of the evangelical Republicans vote third party or just don’t cast a ballot on the top of the ticket, Hillary will win.

The Giuliani partisans here can rant and rave all they want about the above reality, but they can’t stop it from happening. If they really want to stop Hillary (or even perhaps Obama), they need to nominate a candidate that all major components of the Republican Party will support.


88 posted on 10/23/2007 8:33:36 AM PDT by RetiredArmyMajor
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To: Soliton

Soliton wrote:

People need to gat over abortion, gun control, and gay marriage as issues in Presidential races. These are constitutional issues that a president has NO control over.

I am anti-abortion, pro-gun and don’t care about gay marriage, but I am voting national defense, taxes, and cost-cuts.

x x x x x

The Supreme Court is primarily in control on those issues at present, but the President appoints the justices to the Court. You don’t want Supreme Court justices who will overturn Roe v. Wade, enforce the individual interpretation of the Second Amendment, and protect the institution of marriage?


89 posted on 10/23/2007 8:39:26 AM PDT by RetiredArmyMajor
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To: teddyballgame
And, 43% in the same poll would not vote for Giuliani. That's an incredible high rate considering a lot of voters still haven't heard of all the skeletons in his closet.
90 posted on 10/23/2007 8:42:26 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
The electoral college system reduces the sway of the popular vote, and while it is statistically possible to win the election without having a popular majority, if you had 55%+ of voters who “hate” a candidate - they’re toast.

The chosen delegates of the Electoral College can vote however they please, and, as such, the popular vote is meaningless in the election of a POTUS. Personally, I don't think the witch has much of a chance to be POTUS unless a 3rd party spoiler emerges, ala Ross Perot.

91 posted on 10/23/2007 8:44:04 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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To: New Girl

I will gladly vote for Rudy as well.


92 posted on 10/23/2007 8:45:31 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: Hegemony Cricket
Actually, we would only really need to convince some percentage of the other half. There are some out there who will never be convinced...

We also need to convince a certain percentage of our half to actually vote for somebody -- somebody who could win -- rather than sit at home and pout.

93 posted on 10/23/2007 8:47:05 AM PDT by okie01
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To: teddyballgame

I wonder if this poll made a distinction between “no” and “HELL NO!!”


94 posted on 10/23/2007 8:48:31 AM PDT by libs_kma (www.imwithfred.com)
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To: spectre

true and most of us don’t like ole willie boy either so... both of them are such losers aren’t they? Can you only imagine how insecure they both are to want to have and hold so much power???? They are soooo pathetic. I’m glad I am not them.


95 posted on 10/23/2007 8:54:38 AM PDT by cubreporter (Rush has done more for this country than any of us will ever know and is STILL wowing us!!!)
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To: Soliton
Ron Paul would definitely run as an independent...

Doubt it. He already has run for president as a Libertarian and received less than 1% of the national vote, not enough to effect the outcome. More importantly, he would be foolish to give up his House seat for a meaningless presidential run.

96 posted on 10/23/2007 8:59:40 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: CindyDawg
Who is worse?

We can start here


97 posted on 10/23/2007 9:00:12 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: RetiredArmyMajor

“The Supreme Court is primarily in control on those issues at present, but the President appoints the justices to the Court. You don’t want Supreme Court justices who will overturn Roe v. Wade, enforce the individual interpretation of the Second Amendment, and protect the institution of marriage?”

They have all said that they support the appointment of strict constructionists. Not an issue unless we don’t vote for the GOP nominee and then end up with Hillary appointing justices.


98 posted on 10/23/2007 9:05:15 AM PDT by Soliton (Freddie T is the one for me! (c))
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To: justiceseeker93

“he would be foolish to give up his House seat for a meaningless presidential run.”

Who said he would give up his house seat. You don’t see Obama or Hilary resigning from the senate.


99 posted on 10/23/2007 9:08:11 AM PDT by Soliton (Freddie T is the one for me! (c))
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To: RedEyeJack
Many are disgusted with the thought that she did nothing to stop her husband from "diddling" the help in the Oval Office.

Many more should be disgusted by her career of criminality and her ultra-left neo-Marxist ideology!

100 posted on 10/23/2007 9:09:56 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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