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To: exit82
I have predicted for over a year that we are headed for another 1860 election.

The nomination process is failing before our eyes, too many, too early, "final" choices made NINE MONTHS BEFORE the election.

There will either be a religious right third party, or a fusion "national unity" center party, or even both. The left will rally around Hillary, and the GOP nomination won't be worth a pitcher of warm spit.

The witch may very well be elected with 35% of the popular vote, with 65% of the votes split to her right.

She will of course govern as if she won in a landslide.

Game on.

4 posted on 10/22/2007 7:01:48 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Jim Noble

Jim, thank you for your thoughtful comments.

This may be a controversial thought, but I believe that the 2008 election is the Republicans to win or lose, especially if the Demon candidate is Her Heinous.

Because of what is at stake if she is the nominee, many on the right, even if Guilani becomes the R candidate, will vote against Hillary. Resistance will be against a third party, knowing full well this is the only way Hillary gets in. I wouldn’t put it past Hillary that she is actively trying to make this happen, that’s how political cunning she is. To me that’s the only explanation for Ron Paul’s inexplicable showing in the polls, and the man is certifiable.

But if the Republicans cannot defeat Hillary in 2008, a candidate with more real dirt on her than any other candidate in American history, and the GOP pulls another 1996 Dole/Kemp disaster, they deserve to join the Whigs on the ash-heap of political history.

I’ll be a broken glass Republican just one more time.

But never again. By 2012, we’ll have a constitutionally based third party if the GOP doesn’t get its bearings again.

Then again, we may have a new civil war before Hillary’s first term is over.

The illusion is over.


15 posted on 10/22/2007 7:36:54 PM PDT by exit82 (I believe Juanita--Hillary enabled Juanita's rapist.)
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To: Jim Noble

Rumor is that nader and paul have talked. You may be looking at this from the wrong direction.

LLS


26 posted on 10/22/2007 7:54:16 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Jim Noble

That’s exactly what happened in Chile in 1970. Allende was elected with about 35% of the vote, with the other 65% split between centrist and rightist candidates. And Allende, of course, failed to take a hint and governed as if he’d won in a landslide, ramming radical Marxist policies into government.


42 posted on 10/22/2007 8:34:03 PM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: Jim Noble
The nomination process is failing before our eyes, too many, too early, "final" choices made NINE MONTHS BEFORE the election.

Yup. It's f***ing insane. Both parties are going to pay a price for it.

There will either be a religious right third party, or a fusion "national unity" center party, or even both

I agree with you about the fusion "national unity" center party. I think the serious activists of both right and left have basically driven away "normal Americans." The whackadoodle left is alienating Democrats, and the "I speak for God, who hates illegal immigrants" wing of the Republican party is doing the same on the right.

As Steyn puts it, "in advanced democracies, politics is not everything, and we get on with our lives. In a sense, we outsource politics to those who want it most and participate albeit fitfully in whatever parameters of discourse emerge."

What I think probably happens is that a center (leaning vaguely rightward) party forms around somebody whose positions are somewhere in the vicinity of a Rudy Giuliani (though probably not Rudy himself).

The looney-left Democrats will coalesce around somebody like Hillary or Ron Paul, and the remaining Republicans will commit suicide with somebody like Tom Tancredo.

112 posted on 10/23/2007 10:26:54 AM PDT by r9etb
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