Being obtuse is really cool....dude...
Grown-ups say what they mean. Try it.
It seemed to me that Rudy is concise and strong on his stands and ducking is not really true when it comes to national security, tax cuts, border control and homeschooling or adoption. Seems to me Fred was still finding his feet and finally smiled once at the end. Mitt looked a bit confused. Mike was solid as surprisingly was old John. But, the people who think Fred won the debate were thinking with their hearts. Mike, Rudy, and then the others was the order of winners. If Rudy wins, Mike has to be his VP. If Mike wins, who knows what guy he will take.