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Butler II Fire Restarts ("Hundreds of homes are going to burn today.")
The Daily Bulletin ^ | 10/22/2007 | Stacia Glenn

Posted on 10/22/2007 9:59:31 AM PDT by Smogger

9:03 a.m.: Fires in Lake Arrowhead prompt evacuations
By Stacia Glenn

LAKE ARROWHEAD - Two fires are raging in the mountains, forcing hundreds of people from their homes. A wildfire started at 5 a.m. in Grass Valley just north of Lake Arrowhead and has burned more than 100 acres. Mandatory evacuations are in place for Deer Lodge Park, north of Aleutian Drive; and all streets north of Brentwood Drive.

There are voluntary evacuations for North Lake Arrowhead, along Grass Valley Road, Twin Peaks and Rim Forest.

A second fire, dubbed the Slide Fire, broke out in Green Valley Lake, where there is also a mandatory evacuation.

All highways west of Big Bear Dam are closed.

9:27 a.m.: Fire ecologist: Wind stirred Butler II fire
By George Watson

UCR Riverside Prof. Richard Minnich said it appears the Butler II wildfire has restarted because of the winds. "It looks like there are two prongs moving southwest," Minnich said. "One is by (Big Bear )Dam, and the other is near Green Valley Lake where the fire stopped before."

Making his assessments by viewing satellite imagery, Minnich said he is particularly concerned about Running Springs. Wind could push it through the footprint of the 1970 Bear Fire, Minnich said, and then on to that community.

"If it reaches Running Springs, that whole town is in trouble," he said.

With so many fires burning throughout Southern California today, Minnich added, "Hundreds of homes are going to burn today. Right now, the issue is the firefighters are spread too thinly."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailybulletin.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: arrowhead; butleriifire; california; fire; wildfire; wildfires
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To: Thank You Rush

I know this is very serious, but there was a joke out around the time when Compton and other areas of LA were rioting:

The four seasons of Southern California:

Riot
Mudslides
Earthquake
Wildfires


21 posted on 10/22/2007 10:45:10 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Coldwater Creek
Yes, they are. My husband was born and raised in Marion, VA - the Shenandoah Valley - I would love to have been able to live there after we got married, but there were no jobs there at that time.

Carolyn

22 posted on 10/22/2007 10:46:59 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Smogger

What a shame. Lake Arrowhead is such a beautiful area.


23 posted on 10/22/2007 10:54:24 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: Smogger

Perfect storm.

Similar cause as the de-institutionalization of the mentally ill. It is a combination of fiscal conservatism and lefty politics and we get the worst of both worlds.

Huh? You say?

Well, try this. Enviros say “Let it burn when it burns. End control burns and let nature do it’s thing.” Conservatives say “Control burns cost money. Save money and let the enviros sort it out when it burns their mountain homes down.” Meanwhile the average Joe gets it in the shorts.

What needs done? Allow more logging to fund the control burns necessary to protect lives and property. The trees will grow back, the underbrush will get cleared away and no more disastrous fires (like this year’s 200,000 acre fire in Santa Barbara county [where I live] or the one now ongoing in Malibu. BTW the one in Malibu is going to be a real _itch. If we’re not careful some people are going to get killed. And there are others springing up elsewhere in the state which will stretch resources. Say a prayer for the firemen, eh?


24 posted on 10/22/2007 10:55:36 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: bcsco

That is exactly what has happened.


25 posted on 10/22/2007 10:56:25 AM PDT by a real Sheila (stop hillary NOW!)
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To: CDHart
Our children used to live in Va. Beach. When we would go to visit this time of the year, I could hardly keep moving through the Valley. it was so beautiful.
26 posted on 10/22/2007 10:57:53 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Smogger

Best news source I know for this fire is at Rim Of the World:

Scanner transcripts:
http://old.rimoftheworld.net/incidents/

News stories
http://www.rimoftheworld.net/

Right now, this is the only thing going on their website...they have stripped it down to basics.

Last I heard, at least 20 structures have burned.


27 posted on 10/22/2007 11:07:25 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Thanks Knitting.

Try this blog:

http://www.insidesocal.com/sb/fire/


28 posted on 10/22/2007 11:11:11 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Smogger
New Mountain Fire

A new fire has ignited in Rim Forest. CDF officials say it started near Scenic and Bear Springs Drive.

The blaze was reported around 10:45 a.m. No other details are available at the moment.

29 posted on 10/22/2007 11:15:39 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Smogger
Residents lined up at a Shell gas station in Twin Peaks,

A couple of lessons we had reaffirmed after the Northridge quake, and still stick with:

1 - Keep one of the cars at least 3/4 full...no exception.

2 - Keep several hundred bucks of green cash money tucked away.

30 posted on 10/22/2007 11:17:29 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Smogger

Thanks. I’m on the SoCalFire yahoo group. If I see something (this is like one of the best news sources for fire in SoCal), I’ll pass it on


31 posted on 10/22/2007 11:22:06 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Smogger; A CA Guy; Brad's Gramma; bd476; lainie; BurbankKarl; pollywog; KylaStarr; ...

Added some keywords...pinging others;


32 posted on 10/22/2007 11:31:16 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

San Bernardino county is reporting a new fire The Rim fire, and says it has recalled it firefighters from Malibu. They are stretched pretty thin.


33 posted on 10/22/2007 11:33:44 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: RinaseaofDs

You have the order wrong;
wildfires (Santa Anas)
mudslides (liquefaction)
earthquakes (power failures, destruction of storefronts and homes, fear and confusion)
riots (shopping spree)


34 posted on 10/22/2007 11:36:05 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Smogger; Coldwater Creek; A CA Guy; Brad's Gramma; bd476; lainie; BurbankKarl; pollywog; ...
From LATimes:

Los Angeles Times 10-22-07 Fires
Map of the Southern California fires
www.latimes.com

35 posted on 10/22/2007 11:36:55 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

More evacuations:

Mandatory evacuations have been called for in Twin Peaks
and the Five Corners.

Highway 330 is shut down for motorists heading up the mountain to Running Springs.

Highway 18 is also closed to traffic from Waterman to Crestline.


36 posted on 10/22/2007 11:38:44 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

how do they call this a Butler II restart? the same arsonist started it? that fire was assuredly out from last month.

Butler III, the sequel


37 posted on 10/22/2007 11:38:47 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

They are calling it the Slide, Green Valley, and Rim fires ;-)


38 posted on 10/22/2007 11:40:54 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
We have three FR threads going on SoCal fires...this one,...one on the San Diego fires that are looking really Bad and the one started yesterday on the LA County ...Malibu fires....click on the keyword wildfire or wildfires ......
39 posted on 10/22/2007 11:42:11 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Smogger

I suspect such fires as these are terrorism. But how to prove?


40 posted on 10/22/2007 11:44:03 AM PDT by pabianice
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