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To: managusta
OK, let me get this said and out of our system, so we can deal with the serious issue of child abuse by authority figures:

"If only the priest and wardens were not celibate and could marry this would not be a problem"

I agree with managusta that now is the time for the ECUSA to open its books. They may (and I stress may) be able to head off a crisis of the magnitude of the Roman Catholic Church's pedophile scandal if they act now -- before Lambeth.
3 posted on 10/21/2007 1:33:22 AM PDT by Talking_Mouse (O Lord, destroy Islam by converting the Muslims to Christianity.)
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To: Talking_Mouse; managusta; Jeff Chandler

“OK, let me get this said and out of our system, so we can deal with the serious issue of child abuse by authority figures: “If only the priest and wardens were not celibate and could marry this would not be a problem””

None of this has anything to do with celebacy - it has to do with the human condition of the heart and soul. Being a priest at any level in any communion does not prevent or make one immune to base human conditions of sin. Only a deep, personal relationship with God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit changes hearts and counters our sinful nature.

God is Love. Jesus said there is one law - “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.” Remember that the word “Love” here is the Greek word “Agape” - unconditional love, that is beyond “Phileo”, that is beyond “Eros”. Humanly we know Phileo and Eros. God is Agape. Agape will do nothing to hurt our neighbor, or ourselves.

We can do none of that if we do not love ourselves. Then we can love our neighbor and our God with all our heart. Then we can begin to let our relationship with God take precidence and we no longer have the desires of an audulterer, a pedofile, a whoremonger.

Certainly the issues need to be addressed. Sin is sin. No church, no communion, is immune to any of this. We see it all around us. With the position the Angilican Church, especially in America, has taken on “gay” or “lesbian” (it used to be called “queer”) is it any surprise that pedophilia is an issue now too?


48 posted on 10/22/2007 12:10:16 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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