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Benazir Bhutto Takes On A Powerful Enemy (ISI)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 10-21-2007 | Colin Freeman

Posted on 10/20/2007 8:58:27 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 10/20/2007 8:58:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; happinesswithoutpeace; JerseyHighlander; patriot1939; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Pakistan ping


2 posted on 10/20/2007 9:00:00 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: blam

“In a move that puts her in direct confrontation with the nation’s most powerful institutions, Ms Bhutto, who returned home from exile last week, said Pakistan’s security agencies had to become “professional” outfits free from political agendas.”

dreaming of the same thing happening here in the U.S.......


3 posted on 10/20/2007 9:14:09 PM PDT by DEEP_e
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To: DEEP_e

ISI = Pakistan Heroin Wholesale Ltd.

Good luck trying to break that business.

The Indians are much more upfront and honest than our own government about the deparavity of Pakistan and its involvement in the heroin business.

Wish I’d saved the lengthy macroeconomic analysis by Indian scholars (using public figures from the Pakistan government) which made it clear that there were many 10’s of billions of unaccounted-for dollars in the Pakistan economy.

And that’s just for starters.


4 posted on 10/20/2007 9:45:05 PM PDT by angkor ("Hyeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser." Al Gore, South Park 10.06)
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To: blam
ISI is a big Al-Qaeda supporter. They are no friends of peace and stability in the region.
5 posted on 10/20/2007 10:16:11 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: blam
Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto plans to purge her country's intelligence services of hundreds of rogue agents suspected of supporting Islamic terrorism, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

This goes against the old adage recommending that a leader keep your enemies close so that you know where they are and what they're up to. If she's not careful, she'll create an organized, domestic, and militarized opposition. Rather than announce her intent, she'd have been better off quietly de-balling as many as possible before making her intentions known.

As much as the goal is laudable, it is scary that I'm seeing this before she even takes a position of power. Pakistan is a nuclear powder-keg.

6 posted on 10/21/2007 6:41:15 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: AlaskaErik

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSISL283838

Pakistan rejects Taliban spokesman’s claim on Omar
Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:30am EST

By Zeeshan Haider

ISLAMABAD, Jan 18 (Reuters) - Pakistan rejected as absurd on Thursday a claim from a Taliban spokesman arrested in Afghanistan that the Taliban’s fugitive leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, was living in Pakistan under the protection of its main spy agency.

Afghan officials have often said they believe Omar and other Taliban leaders are living in Pakistan. Many say privately they believe elements of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, are helping the insurgents.

But the claim from the captured Taliban spokesman Mohammad Hanif, who was also an aide to Omar, appeared to be the first time a Taliban member had said Omar was in Pakistan, and not leading the insurgency in Afghanistan.

The Afghan government said on Tuesday authorities had arrested Hanif along with two other men the previous day after they crossed into Afghanistan from Pakistan.

In a video recording of part of his interrogation released by Afghan authorities, Hanif said Omar was living in the Pakistani city Quetta under the protection of the ISI.

He also said former ISI chief Hamid Gul was organising the training of suicide bombers at a religious school in Pakistan.


7 posted on 10/21/2007 7:12:06 AM PDT by angkor ("Hyeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser." Al Gore, South Park 10.06)
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To: blam
"The Sunday Telegraph is not revealing their names for legal reasons" The names are as follows:

Retired Brigadier Ejaz Shah (he is head of the Intelligence Bureau, which is a part of the Interior Ministry) (like our FBI)

Ijaz-ul-Haq, he is the Religious Affairs Minister and is son Zia-ul-Huq, who hanged Bhutto’s father.

And an unknown official of the National Accountability Bureau who has been investigating Bhutto and her husband Zardari for corruption.

The Sunday Telegraph is keeping the names secret in a cheap attempt to bolster the effect of their news story of "un-named conspirators" (were they on the grassy knoll, too?)

It is known that there was only one main bomber as only one striker sleeve was found, the vest had about 40 pounds of C4 and ball bearings. AQ has a number of these vests ready to go, are very afraid and hate Bhutto and probably got a lower level Taliban commander to do the dirty work, my guess: Commander Haji Omar of Waziristan.

Here is the cynical aspect: Bhutto could have taken a helicopter instead of an entourage surrounded by 100,000 supporters that traveled only 12 km. in 10 hours, speeches along the way, etc.

She immediately talked of conspiracies against her. She was well aware of AQ/Taliban desires to kill her. What did she think was going to happen? Duh, a bomber showed up and now she can garner political sympathy and gin up a them vs. us scenario to get more votes, "I'm an outsider", "restoring democracy", on and on. The people she named are not that well organized with roaming hit squads, come on.

Lastly, the ISI is now headed by a trusted Musharraf loyalist, Nadeem Taj who is going to root out the Taliban supporters. The real ISI connections to the Taliban are through retired ISI officers who still have a lot of ISI intel access and influence. Musharraf wants them out worse than Bhutto, she will have little to do with it, but plenty to say about it.

Understand that Bhutto is a clever and capable politician, a Pakistani patriot and a friend to America. We cannot kill bin Laden without her, but will have to hold our noses from time to time for her political gamesmanship.

8 posted on 10/21/2007 5:16:35 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: AlaskaErik; angkor

The ISI is an extension of the Pakistani Army-most of it’s officer cadre is deputed from the Army & other services.You can’t defang the ISI without doing anything about the Army.


9 posted on 10/22/2007 9:23:09 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: gandalftb; Carry_Okie

Bhutto’s IQ is off the charts. She’s also a “slit your throat while you sleep” type of gal.

She’ll eat the ISI for breakfast, and she’ll do so while keeping Musharraf in a position of power for himself, as well.

Sadly, her husband is corrupt...though in his favor he actually gets things done for the cut that he takes from each deal.

We could do worse.


10 posted on 10/22/2007 9:49:00 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: blam

At first glance, I thought the powerful enemy was Ann Curry of NBC(Nothing But Crap)News.


11 posted on 10/22/2007 9:55:03 PM PDT by exit82 (I believe Juanita--Hillary enabled Juanita's rapist.)
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To: angkor; Saberwielder
Hamid Gul should be sent to an isolated island.
12 posted on 10/22/2007 10:18:11 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: blam

Is Anne Curry the spokesperson for the ISI?


13 posted on 10/22/2007 11:45:05 PM PDT by montag813
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To: AdmSmith

It’s not just Hamid Gul. My theory is that this bombing was a message by people close to Musharraf, such as Ejaz Shah, to Bhutto not to act up. If they wanted her dead, she’d now be in pieces and collected by a sponge.

I think Musharraf wants a controlled level of chaos in Pakistan, so that the US and the West back off the “free and fair” elections pressure and he is free to rig it. If Bhutto cannot conduct rallies, people won’t show up to vote and it makes it easy for the pro-Musharraf parties to rig the game. To keep us quiet, I expect Musharraf to hand over an “Al Qaeda #3” or a Talibunny commander soon.

Hamid Gul is just a pawn here, IMO. We have been played so well by Musharraf.


14 posted on 10/23/2007 4:14:48 AM PDT by Saberwielder
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To: gandalftb
Re post 8: your comments are welcome and insightful. My only question is why it took so long for Mushie to reign in the ISI.
15 posted on 10/23/2007 6:06:02 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: blam

Purging is equivalent to burying.


16 posted on 10/23/2007 6:55:52 AM PDT by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Saberwielder
Yes, I agree with you that this probably was done by people close to the government, as former ISI operatives/heads can be described as “close”.

This is from the Guardian today:

“But Bhutto thinks ruling party chief Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and a head of a spy agency - both close associates of Musharraf - could be behind the attack. She has given no evidence in public to back up her claim.

Hussain, in an apparently sarcastic swipe at Bhutto, said Monday that her husband, working with Bhutto and other party leaders, arranged the blasts to stir up public sympathy. The proof: Bhutto went into her armored vehicle minutes before the bombs exploded and was not hurt.

Although his tone appeared to be tongue-in-cheek, such accusations often gain traction in Pakistan, where conspiracy theories thrive in its violent, intrigue-filled politics.”

Hussain’s father was killed in 1981 - allegedly by a militant group run by one of Bhutto’s late brothers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-7017810,00.html

At least it will interesting weeks ahead.

17 posted on 10/23/2007 7:12:54 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: blam

Thank Jimmy Carter.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Cyclone+ISI+Zbigniew


18 posted on 10/23/2007 8:07:39 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: Southack

You’re right, her husband, Zardari, is known as Mr. 10% in Pakistan because that’s his take for arranging government contracts. We will do worse if Bhutto and Musharraf can’t get their economy moving and destroy AQ and at least throw a net over the Taliban.


19 posted on 10/23/2007 3:54:41 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: Saberwielder
AQ and any number of plotters had ample time during the 18 hours from her arrival and announced slow procession through Karachi. They could have easily hatched the plot and driven across Pakistan to get to her. I'm sure that even AQ was amazed at the stupidity of the whole parade.

Sources have indicated that Musharraf now believes Bin Laden and his bunch are worth more to the Pakis dead than alive, there may be a very merry Christmas. Musharraf is a master at the game but Bhutto is even better, our State Department better be able to thin out the b.s. from the buckwheat.

20 posted on 10/23/2007 4:09:57 PM PDT by gandalftb
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