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To: El Sordo; Jim Robinson
What if this position results in more deaths in the long runs?

Please suggest any scenario where voting against an abortionist candidate for president would INCREASE the number of abortions.

66 posted on 10/20/2007 2:45:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Please suggest any scenario where voting against an abortionist candidate for president would INCREASE the number of abortions.

Here's one of my concerns, wagglebee. If Hillary is elected, we can expect vacancies on the Supreme Court to be filled by Ruth Bader Ginsburg types (IIRC Gingsburg was her doing). One or two more Ginsburgs and we'll have a court that will uphold the lower courts when they throw out the laws on partial birth abortion. So PBA will become unstoppable.

I know some freepers believe that Rudy will nominate liberals to the court but I just dont see him nominating the kind of radical feminazi kooks that I am sure we will see under a Hillary administration. And we have to keep in mind that the judges don't go when she does. She would leave her imprint on the Court for decades.

120 posted on 10/20/2007 3:15:51 PM PDT by freespirited (I'm voting for the GOP nominee.)
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To: wagglebee; Jim Robinson
Well, this will depend quite strongly on the definition of what constitutes an “abortionist”.

Rather than get tied up in that, I’ll not split hairs or presume to argue about what direction the party should be pushed during the primaries.

So let’s cut to the chase.

I propose (but do not advocate) the following:

A Giuliani/Somebody ticket vs. a Hillary/Obama ticket in 2008. This is not outside the realm of possibility.

I would argue that on many (if not most) aspects of American life and policy, a HRC/BHO administration will result in more death in the long run, and not just of the unborn. Whether it be from an appeasement oriented foreign policy, a higher tax burden on the citizen, socialized medicine, a de-emphasis on US military readiness, or the opportunity to appoint USSC judges. A worst case scenario could go as far as expecting that the Democrat brand of appeasement and muddled thinking on human nature will result in hyper-proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Arabic speaking world, a quickening of the change of Europe into Eruabia, and all that will come with it.

By all means, use whatever resources available to try and influence the GOP towards your values. But let us please recognize that nobody is going to get a candidate that is acceptable to then on all their issues.

When election day arrives, each one of us is going to most likely be confronted by a Hobson’s choice.

The availability of abortions will not decrease under a HRC presidency. They are far more likely to increase and it has been clearly shown that HRC accepts the opinions of those who would also advocate infanticide. Under a Giuliani or other GOP presidency, there is at least a chance of change bringing about a decrease in the availability of abortion, and talk of infanticide would not even see the light of day.

We’ll be given a choice of flawed individuals, to be voted on by also flawed individuals.

I cannot argue against the need for an individual to vote their conscience.

Only that they be fully aware of the impact of their choice.

237 posted on 10/20/2007 4:09:35 PM PDT by El Sordo
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