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NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE
Free Republic post ^ | 10/20/2007 | by ex-snook

Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: EternalVigilance
"moderates" and liberals - the same animal, actually

So with this statement you are essentially saying that liberals are the majority in this country while conservatives are a smaller minority? Political views are not simply black and white. Moderates are not all liberal, nor all conservative. Some have liberal views in some areas, conservative in others with some views not neatly fitting one or the other. Treating politics as a black and white issue will ensure that you never see results.

1,421 posted on 11/02/2007 11:03:37 AM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: scarface367
So you're not actually concerned with seeing abortion reduced, just looking good in the eyes of God? That's some arrogance. If you really where concerned about seeing abortion reduced you would care how your statements chase people away. If your actions persuade people that maybe the other side is more rational, how will that help?

Oh, where to start...

So you're not actually concerned with seeing abortion reduced

Wherever did you get such a notion?

In fact, you just made it up, as a rhetorical tactic. Weak. Very weak.

just looking good in the eyes of God?

What claptrap. All of us will be held to account before God. Your choice to serve Him, or to care more about what people think, will become quite apparent. Wake up.

That's some arrogance.

No, arrogance is thinking you can get away with compromising with evil, with no consequences.

If you really where concerned about seeing abortion reduced you would care how your statements chase people away. If your actions persuade people that maybe the other side is more rational, how will that help?

So, standing unequivically for the God-given, unalienable right to life is irrational? But offering aid and comfort and support to those who empower the brutal killing of 4000 American babies every day is rational?

I think you need to do some deep soul searching about your definitions of rationality.

1,422 posted on 11/02/2007 11:05:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.” - Winston Churchill)
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To: scarface367
Treating politics as a black and white issue will ensure that you never see results.

What's it like living in a gray world?

1,423 posted on 11/02/2007 11:07:02 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.” - Winston Churchill)
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To: EternalVigilance
"What's it like living in a gray world?"

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1,424 posted on 11/02/2007 11:13:54 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: EternalVigilance
Wherever did you get such a notion?

It's fairly obvious that you cling to ideals without caring how they are realized. Not caring whether your actions chase potential supporters away does not give the impression you actually want to see abortion reduced.

So, standing unequivically for the God-given, unalienable right to life is irrational? But offering aid and comfort and support to those who empower the brutal killing of 4000 American babies every day is rational?

I never said that. But when you call those that are not entirely opposed to abortion "murderer" "baby killers" "abortionists" and the like it can easily make the other side more rational with the anti-abortion side having nothing but emotion. That doesn't make it true, but perception is everything.

1,425 posted on 11/02/2007 11:28:49 AM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: EternalVigilance
What's it like living in a gray world?

Its called reality. It might be nice to think that everything is neatly black and white, but it simply is not.

1,426 posted on 11/02/2007 11:29:37 AM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: Manic_Episode

Gosh. Next thing you know, those guys’ll be in the U.S. Senate...


1,427 posted on 11/02/2007 11:36:52 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.” - Winston Churchill)
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To: scarface367
It's fairly obvious that you cling to ideals without caring how they are realized.

Making assumptions with no facts, and then asserting them willy-nilly, is a sign of your profound weakness in this debate.

1,428 posted on 11/02/2007 11:38:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.” - Winston Churchill)
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To: scarface367
Its called reality. It might be nice to think that everything is neatly black and white, but it simply is not.

Right. Babies bleed red.

1,429 posted on 11/02/2007 11:39:29 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.” - Winston Churchill)
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To: scarface367

Gosh. I just put up that tagline today...which is okay, because it was like it was ready-made for encountering you.

But, you’ve forced me to adopt a new one already...


1,430 posted on 11/02/2007 11:43:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (When it comes to abortion, everything isn't black and white - Babies bleed red...4000 today, in fact)
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To: EternalVigilance
Gosh. I just put up that tagline today...which is okay, because it was like it was ready-made for encountering you.

But, you’ve forced me to adopt a new one already...

Well that's just nice. Continue to think of abortion as simply a black and white issue. Here in the real world its not that easy. What about those that are willing to allow for abortions in the case of rape and incest? Are they black or white? What about the morning after pill? What about life of the mother issues? Which do these all fall into.

Are all of these "evil" or not? Its not that simple to put things into black and white, unless you call everything that does not exactly agree with you evil in which case the entire world is black.

1,431 posted on 11/02/2007 11:51:33 AM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: EternalVigilance
Making assumptions with no facts, and then asserting them willy-nilly, is a sign of your profound weakness in this debate.

No, its based on the fact that you are unconcerned with how many people you chase away with the way you present the issue. You have to "win hearts and minds" in order for your issue to win out. That's what great leaders do.

1,432 posted on 11/02/2007 11:53:06 AM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: scarface367

My experience is that those who talk the most about “winning hearts and minds” are the ones who do the least to actually do so.


1,433 posted on 11/02/2007 12:02:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (When it comes to abortion, everything isn't black and white - Babies bleed red...4000 today, in fact)
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To: Jim Robinson; Live free or die
You know, that is a gross mis-characterization of this whole issue. I abhor abortion, it is evil. I think it is the most violent thing man does.

And guess what,? as a tax payer my hands are bloody because that is where the money came from for some of these abortions.

And guess what again, in that respect your hands are equally bloody. Yes I lived in CA the Bay Area, and I never heard or saw Jim Robinson taking a stand on abortion. So then to what ends have you been an activist against abortion? I mean you have quite the platform to take the initiative. But other than railing against Rudy, what have you done?

1,434 posted on 11/02/2007 5:43:29 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

Apparently not enough. Not near enough.


1,435 posted on 11/02/2007 5:46:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: scarface367; EternalVigilance

People want to believe that sex has no consequences. But it does have consequence. There is no such thing as a concept of safe sex (even if there was no disease possible in sex)

She never told me, but I am 99.5% sure that I was the father of an aborted baby in college, and it has tormented me for my life.


1,436 posted on 11/02/2007 5:51:16 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Jim Robinson

An entire generation of 50 MILLION completely innocent Americans has been murdered, there is more that ALL of us can be doing.

However, YOU have given us a forum and the opportunity to expose the abortionists in the same manner that Free Republic has been so instrumental on other fronts in the war against the left.


1,437 posted on 11/02/2007 5:53:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson

I can make certain that I am never again the father of an aborted baby, and sometimes that has taken the will power of Odysseus against the Sirens.

Beyond that, I can speak out and try to make people think.


1,438 posted on 11/02/2007 5:59:17 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1; Jim Robinson
and I never heard or saw Jim Robinson taking a stand on abortion.

I doubt it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not a retread.

JR HAS been pro-life for as long as I've known him. He's been vehemently ANTI-ABORTION!!! Waaaaaaaaaaay long ago.

1,439 posted on 11/02/2007 9:13:22 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: valkyry1
She never told me, but I am 99.5% sure that I was the father of an aborted baby in college, and it has tormented me for my life.

I'm sorry....very very sorry.......

1,440 posted on 11/02/2007 9:30:56 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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