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To: JohnBovenmyer
Third, there is nothing here that the Fred Heads can use for bragging points over their competition for the title of either "the social conservative" candidate or even "the southern social conservative" candidate.

What makes you think these people are all conservative? First, these people are obviously pretentious. They are the only voters with values? Sure. Second, many of these people are theocrats not conservatives. Although some of the theocrat's positions are shared with conservatives like pro-life and pro-marriage, many are not. Many theocrats are basically socialist as long as the government is spending the money on things that support their religious values. Many theocrats' religious views cause them to support things like open borders and citizenship for illegal aliens. Many theocrats are nanny staters as long as the state is forcing people to abide by their "values".

This particular orginization obviously supports Huckabee. Good for Mike. However, supporting a big government, big spending, open borders Republican does not make them conservative.

67 posted on 10/20/2007 8:16:21 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

“What makes you think these people are all conservative? First, these people are obviously pretentious. They are the only voters with values? Sure. Second, many of these people are theocrats not conservatives. Although some of the theocrat’s positions are shared with conservatives like pro-life and pro-marriage, many are not. Many theocrats are basically socialist as long as the government is spending the money on things that support their religious values. Many theocrats’ religious views cause them to support things like open borders and citizenship for illegal aliens. Many theocrats are nanny staters as long as the state is forcing people to abide by their “values”.”

Hey, I’m not trying to support any candidate here, but I’ve got to say that rhetoric like the above is devisive and will only shatter the coalition that makes of the Republican Party. “Theocrats”? Give me a break.


86 posted on 10/20/2007 8:53:56 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Prokopton
You are likely right about some of them being theocrats. I don't claim to know what the proportions of such are in this group. However this event was promoted, for better or worse, in both the MSM and many of the alternative right wing media as being a major social conservative event and as such will its results be reported. The degree to which that is inaccurate will generally be overlooked. Any individual candidate bumps or dumps resulting from it will be, fairly or not, based on the perception that it was a social conservative event.

Mitt and Mike can plausibly claim bumps. Rudy was dissed, but will go on saying he doesn't need social conservatives while hoping they don't unite against him. McCain was dissed, but has too much ego to notice his campaign died months ago. The small fry candidates will be ignored. The only negative story that plausibly "matters" is Fred's, so the bad news loving press will jump on him. Fred should be thankful it's a Saturday story and there's a debate the next day. If he debates well he can erase this story. If he doesn't there will be stories Monday on Fred's bad weekend. At least with Fox there should be some decent questions.

87 posted on 10/20/2007 8:59:44 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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