Tom McClintock on global warming

Citizens for the California Republic ^ | 10-18-2007 | Tom McClintock's

[NicknamedBob]

Perhaps one day soon, refugees from economically dislocated California will come trudging to the border of ... oh, say Oklahoma, and they will be rejected.

Call it the “Wrath of Sour Grapes”.

[cogitator]

First, if global warming is caused by your SUV, why is it that we’re seeing global warming on every other body in the solar system? For the last six years, the Martian south polar ice cap has conspicuously receded. Pluto is warming – about two degrees Celsius over the past 14 years. Jupiter is showing dramatic climate change by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit. Even Neptune’s moon, Triton, has warmed five percent on the absolute temperature scale – the equivalent of a 22 degrees Fahrenheit increase on Earth – from 1989 to 1998.

I wish Mr. Mclintock could read points #2 and #5 in my profile, but I doubt he'd understand them.

[sand88]

The toilet bill, by Assemblyman John Laird, D-Santa Cruz, will phase in requirements by 2014 that will limit all new toilets to 1.3 gallons per flush instead of 1.6 gallons

These Stalinists truly must think they are God like. I wonder if someone in government did a study of how often the 1.6gal toilets are flushed more than once (in a use cycle)? I made it a point to ask many of my friends and family and almost all say they "flush more than once." (sorry about the subject matter be commented upon. These incessant intervention in the marketplace (our freedom to choose) is an assault on our Liberty.

[sand88]

I wish Mr. Mclintock could read points #2 and #5 in my profile, but I doubt he'd understand them.

He is probably too bright to ever read the frauds at realclimate and elsewhere. If the climate is warming it would be wise for man to "ADAPT" to the change. It is obvious you agree with the Stalinists that want to literally destroy the future of our children so they could play God. Al Gore and his freak followers are out to destroy our way of life. You and the other AGW fanatics will likely seem your dream of massive government intervention and destruction of way of life-- at the hands government. We can EASILY adapt to any change in climate due to the SUN! The frauds at realclimate and other AGW nazis organizations are doing great damage to real science. It is so very sad how governments around the world has politicized Science. I pray to God Almighty that flame of freedom will burn long enough that all the anti-human freaks who believe in AGW are shown to be the pathetic arrogant elitists fools they truly are. It is astounding to me that any rational human being believes man can alter the climate as the freaks at realclimate etc. state. If the Earth is warming it's NOT due to man. It's funny, but Greenland was MUCH warmer in the past and civilization survived. It is astounding the drumbeat to force panic. It is so anti-human and such an affront to anyone who believes in Liberty and trusts that man can and will adapt if not destroyed by Stalinists. Good night and enjoy your utterly depressing view over climate :)

[calcowgirl]

It is astounding to me that any rational human being believes man can alter the climate...

More astounding to me is the number of people who appear to willingly perpetuate the fraud.

[calcowgirl]

Brilliant? You're calling McClintock brilliant? Even after he called Pluto a planet ???

Gee... It was a "planet" for 70 years, until a year ago. It took the IAU 7 decades to decide to change the the definition of a "planet." So, if it takes McClintock a year to catch up with the latest buzzwords, so be it. And yes--he is brilliant.

[cogitator]

It is obvious you agree with the Stalinists that want to literally destroy the future of our children so they could play God.

I fail to see why pointing out one of Mr. Mclintock's scientific errors in this presentation makes me "agree with the Stalinists".

It is astounding to me that any rational human being believes man can alter the climate as the freaks at realclimate etc. state. If the Earth is warming it's NOT due to man.

It is likely equally astonishing to me that there are people who believe that the activities of 6.6 billion human beings, and the considerable alteration of ecosystems all over the Earth due to such activities, doesn't affect Earth's climate at all.

[Kellis91789]

McClintock and Swarzenegger provide a good object lesson for the current political season.

We made the mistake of choosing the “electable” candidate and got the liberal Swarzenegger instead of the conservative McClintock as our new governor after tossing out Gray Davis.

This is the same mistake people are now making in supporting liberals like Guiliani, Romney, or McCain rather than an actual conservative like Hunter.

[BlueDragon]

I was being sarcastic. Did you read the fine print?

[calcowgirl]

Oh... oops! My apologies!
I shouldn’t be posting that late.
I didn’t even see the fine print.

[BlueDragon]

You say, in part;

...It is likely equally astonishing to me that there are people who believe that the activities of 6.6 billion human beings, and the considerable alteration of ecosystems all over the Earth due to such activities, doesn't affect Earth's climate at all.

Then post a satellite photo of pollution over China. ok, fine...

But ---

"considerable alteration of ecosystems all over the Earth due to such activities."

????

Have we changed the "weather", over the U.S.? I know of one place, where the damming of a river, creating a series of lakes, are credited with the re-creation, refilling, expansion of another lake, downwind. I for one, call that change, beneficial.

Look up "Devil's Lake". The Native Americans local to the area called it 'Spirit Lake'.

[as an aside, I find the juxtaposition of the two names interesting, particularly when one also considers what these same, or other, related natives called the 'White Mountains', European-Americans named, 'The Black Hills']

What I find even more astonishing is there are millions of people in this country, that think choking off business here, with increasing "environmental" regulation is going to "fix" the problem, worldwide.

They say, "oh, but we have to be the leaders in this", while ignoring just how easy it is for the Chinese (and the like) to simply IGNORE our so-called "leadership", and just continue on selling to both us, and the rest of the world, heavy industry manufactured goods, with much, much less environmental regulation than we've had in place, in this nation, in ever increasing amounts, for the last forty years.

The ninnies here, think that more regulation HERE, is gonna clean it up, over THERE.

It simply won't...

We are already *pretty* clean, CO² wise. I could demonstrate it plainly enough, using satellite photos --- from a site called UCAR -- but they took those particular 1/4 year, representative compilation "photos" of CO² emission's, off-line.

I think they didn't want anyone to see what was so plain...namely, that China was and is a gross emitter, while the U.S., is NOT. The air masses leaving our nation, in CO² concentration, are very similar to when they ARRIVE. If anything, the air is a bit scrubbed, passing first over the Pacific Northwest, with all it's large trees...then, if gaining in CO² amounts, is no more, than when the air first arrived here, after being loaded up with carbon, over China, then leaving some the carbon behind, somewhere over the North Pacific, before it reached the North American Continent.

Without the U.S. imposing import tariffs, punishing "dirty" overseas manufacturing, while simultaneously rewarding clean (or at the least, reasonably cleaner) local manufacturing, why should they change a thing?.

Or perhaps a better question might be; HOW could a Chinese, or other foreign nation locale factory, go "green", if their competitors are not? Won't people, including those of us in the U.S., just buy the cheaper stuff?

With our cost of labor being higher, our costs of land being higher, or regulations being much more stringent, etc., how in the hell can we expect to do it, without some set of heavy industry/environmental tariffs, that could perhaps help enable us to;

• Rebuild this nations heavy manufacturing base
• Rebuild it cleaner, and greener

Whatever happens, we simply cannot be "the leaders", if all we do is wring our hands, get all worked up emotionally over how "bad" we are, then punish our own companies, while we continue to import goods made in filthy conditions, in such filthy ways, that the environment is made to become even filthier!

But THAT is precisely what is going on today.

And you, my freeper friend, are helping to make it that way. You do so when you talk about the "environment", in in-complete sentences...even as you post large, telling photos...

Get my drift, here?

Can you read between the lines?

[BlueDragon]

No problem... I like McClintock just fine. I enjoyed the article...

[cogitator]

CO₂

[BlueDragon]

Ok, fine.

Got anything else to say?

[cogitator]

Got anything else to say?

If natural resource exploitation is not figured in as part of the total costs of production, processes which generate a large amount of pollution will appear cheaper that those which don't.

Commentary: Polluting its way to inflation

"China is waking up to the need to normalize pollution costs. On May 15, the South China Morning Post reported that about 2,000 Hong Kong-owned factories operating in Southern China's Pearl River Delta face closure or relocation because of pollution or environmental hazards they pose."

[mc5cents]

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[TomasUSMC]

He should have been Gov.

[mc5cents]

“The ass was born in March “The rains came in November “Such a flood as this, he said, “I scarcely can remember.” - Ogden Nash

As Rush is wont to say, to most liberals history begins on the day they were born.

[mc5cents]

Call it the “Wrath of Sour Grapes”.

LOL!! Now that is funny. Very good.

[NicknamedBob]

For me, the really amusing part of my post, was the inversion of the roles of Oklahoma and California after the dust bowl days.

California turned back, or turned away, "Okies" who were looking for a fresh start. (They don't do that today for some reason ...)

Anyway, having the Okies return the favor seemed quaintly amusing to me.