You’re still pretending this was about the $14 dollar fee. It wasn’t. It was about a drunken person behaving in a threatening manner, and there is every reason to think that the outcome would have been the same if he had already paid the $14 fee and got hot under the collar about something else. And yes, if I’m camping overnight in the wilderness, I very much hope the rangers on duty have the attitude that they are supposed to be protecting the “turf” from criminals. I don’t want belligerent drunks roaming around picking fights with whoever they happen to run into, while I and my camping group (possibly including children) are trying to have a safe and peaceful night’s sleep.
Defining “due process” is a nightmare that even the Supreme Court has a lot of trouble with. But due process is not required in a self-defense situation. The ranger probably (not definitely) made an incorrect assessment of the level of danger this uncooperative drunk posed, but it is quite possible that the drunk’s behavior met the test of making a reasonable person fear physical injury or death, justifying firing in self-defense. Looks the same to me as a homeowner firing on somebody who breaks into their house in the middle of the night — maybe the intruder was just very drunk and at the wrong house, and didn’t intend to do anything violent, but I don’t expect the homeowner to wait and find out, because if the intruder turned out to be bent on violence, abducting a child, or some such thing, it may be too late to stop him by the time the homeowner has been able to ascertain his true intentions — and it is reasonable of the homeower to fear that a complete stranger roaming around in the house in the middle of the night is a criminal who is likely to employ violence if he becomes aware that he’s been seen. The fear may turn out to have been unfounded, but it was reasonable, and IMO a situation in which a self-defense shooting is justified.
FYI and NO /S
Have compassion for the guys in green and grey. We try, though the thugs are over-running “our” wilderness too:
http://starbulletin.com/2006/10/13/news/story02.html
Makuakane-Jarrell was killed Sunday at Kaloko-Honokohau National Historic Park in Kona. ...
Drifter is ruled insane in Kaloko-Honokohau killing.
“A Federal Bureau of Prisons psychologist testified for the defense that Boyce suffered from paranoia and schizophrenia, and could not appreciate the wrongfulness of his acts due to his psychotic state, Assistant U.S. Attorney Ken Sorenson said.”
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21203159/
JARBO GAP — A Department of Fish and Game warden shot and killed an unidentified man outside a home off Bardees Bar Road about 2:55 p.m. Monday.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21314344/
After Brennan served the citation and left property Pitts was occupying on Bardees Bar Road, the warden ran the man for warrants.
He learned Pitts was wanted in Hawaii for alleged methamphetamine sales.
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Ya, one thing that angers me...Is bad talking our LE without researching and actually “seeing” what these people go through. The way I read these posts, ya’all sound like a bunch of damn fern feelin democrats.
Read the articles and weep for your fellow citizens/criminals.
Aloha kakou.
I no longer care about your personal drivel... I mean opinions.
... except to state that said opinions make it abundantly clear to the rest of us you know nothing of the Constitution... and if you wear a badge and gun... the Constitution you swore to uphold.
You and your ilk are truly dangerous people.
Why don’t you and “GovernmentShrinker” just move to Russia and join the KGB.
Your and his mentalities would fit right in.