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Gun bill supported by Va. Tech families hits snag in Senate
wdbj7.com ^ | October 16, 2007 | NA

Posted on 10/17/2007 3:51:48 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Shooter 2.5

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2006/03/breaking-news-angel-out.html
- That’s all I know. I didn’t realize who he was, thanks. If you like the status quo, and if you think the NRA is doing well, then I agree it’s better than nothing. But I’d prefer to support JPFO or GOA.


41 posted on 10/17/2007 7:42:32 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: DBrow
Or worse...

http://www.redpills.org/?p=418

http://redstradingpost.blogspot.com/2007/10/exaggerations-from-atf-seattle-field.html

Not the folks I want "interpreting" how to enforce this "law"...

42 posted on 10/17/2007 7:43:11 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Nope. Just don’t like stupidity like the behavior Angel brought down on himself. Had a brother in law with the same problem.
Cop: Does your husband own a gun?
Wife: Sure he does. I’ll go get it for you.
Both wife and husband living in the same house in nasty gun banned Oak Park Illinois. He should have told the cops it was her’s. LOL. By the way, this is after he refused to help overturn the ban and ignored my pleas for assistance.

I have to admit I smiled over the irony. It’s not like Angel could call the legal aid department of the NRA and get some help.


43 posted on 10/17/2007 7:43:22 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Brilliant
I doubt that Coburn is blocking this. Last I heard the bill was caught in a turf battle between Leahy and Kennedy. Schumer is probably trying to blame his failure to push it thru on Coburn because he doesn’t want to admit its the Dems fault. it makes no sense that one minority Senator could block this from coming to the floor.

They do it with judicial nominees, IIRC. The Senate has a bunch of weird rules.

New U.S. Senator opposing H.R. 2640, and a detailed rebuttal of the NRA's defense of gun control

P.S. Thanks for helping me find this. I searched coburn hr2640 hold and found that.

44 posted on 10/17/2007 7:44:17 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: DBrow

I have a friend who has been very prominent in the NRA. I asked my friend why the NRA was supporting this bill, and could only get a “beats the $h!t out of me” response. My friend is totally flabbergasted by the NRA’s stance on this issue, and DOES NOT support it.
Neither do I. I will not be renewing my membership.


45 posted on 10/17/2007 7:50:12 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Old 300

JPFO isn’t a lobbying group and they are even failing to turn the tide in the Jewish Community. I used to like them but they should change their tax status and join the fray.

The GOA has a dismal record. They haven’t accomplished anything that I know of and I’ve been asking on this board for years since I’ve been here. This piece of legislation may be their first. I’ll congratulate them if they succeed.

so far it’s like this:
NRA-Castle Doctrine. GOA-0
NRA-End of the Assault Weapons Ban. GOA-0
NRA-CCW laws. GOA-0
So on and so forth.


46 posted on 10/17/2007 7:50:52 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5

You sound happy about it. Feel the same way about Red’s getting railroaded as well? After all, most of the registration standards they are accused of violating the NRA approves of...


47 posted on 10/17/2007 7:51:49 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: hunter112

The “problem” is that currently, you have to be adjudicated by a court to be mentally defective. You know, due process. As I understand it, this bill will allow a “board, commission, or pyschiatrist” to judge you as a mental defective, and then you are toast.


48 posted on 10/17/2007 7:52:36 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Shooter 2.5

It all depends on where you see the curve of history shaking out. After the betrayal America has seen in the amnesty battle, I don’t think we have much longer. At this point, I don’t write checks to those who compromise, and I don’t vote for people who ride fences. The NRA doesn’t get my membership.


49 posted on 10/17/2007 7:54:29 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: Scotsman will be Free
The “problem” is that currently, you have to be adjudicated by a court to be mentally defective. You know, due process. As I understand it, this bill will allow a “board, commission, or pyschiatrist” to judge you as a mental defective, and then you are toast.

See the link in comment# 44. Any two physicians has been ruled legal in NY by a federal judge, IIRC.

50 posted on 10/17/2007 8:04:29 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

“Any two physicians”, eh? That’s just real good. So a dick doc, and a podiatrist can take away your right to possess firearms. Why, that sounds real american to me.


51 posted on 10/17/2007 8:12:46 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Shooter 2.5

What’s the story behind his name change?


52 posted on 10/17/2007 8:22:53 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
So a dick doc, and a podiatrist can take away your right to possess firearms. Why, that sounds real american to me.

A podiatrist's scope of practice is limited to the foot. Allopaths, MDs, and osteopaths, DOs, get training in psychiatry during school and the ER during residency. The patient has to admit that he/she wants to commit suicide or murder.

53 posted on 10/17/2007 8:22:56 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
What would have prevented the massacre would have been the right to carry.

The maniacs always attack places where guns are outlawed.

54 posted on 10/17/2007 11:46:35 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Eaker; hunter112; neverdem
College Admins: If You Favor Second Amendment Rights, You Must Be Crazy http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1912856/posts

Seems ominously like this situation. Poor guy takes the 1st Am seriously and openly discusses CCW on campus and now he's ordered to undergo a "mental health evaluation." So does he get grand-fathered in if this thing passes?

"on April 23 Scheffler received a hand-delivered letter from Dean of Students Alan Sickbert that informed him his e-mails were "deemed to be threatening and thus an alleged violation of the Hamline University Judicial Code" and that he was placed on "interim suspension" to be lifted only after he agreed to a psychological evaluation by a licensed mental health professional."

55 posted on 10/17/2007 11:48:31 PM PDT by dbandit (It's only a conspiracy until they advertise; then it's called policy.)
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To: Gondring

I didn’t know he changed his name. What’s his new one? Prisoner #1234?


56 posted on 10/18/2007 5:02:04 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: neverdem
Ok... now point out where this purposed law defines which type of doctors can make this disqualifying determination. If it doesn't list them, then some doofus with a Universal Life Church "doctorate" in comparative theology could make a mental health determination and get you disqualified from owning firearms.

(sarc)Yeah.... that sounds like a good idea...(/sarc)

57 posted on 10/18/2007 5:20:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Brilliant
Guess what it is not just me!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1912813/posts

58 posted on 10/18/2007 5:37:23 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Do you want to be right or successful!)
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To: Dead Corpse

Not only that, the gunman could have bought a gun illegally.


59 posted on 10/18/2007 5:39:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Anyone who defends the right of insane people to have guns is just going to end up making a fool of himself. Maybe that’s why Schumer is delighted to blame this on Coburn.

But I still don’t believe that Coburn really has the power to stop this.


60 posted on 10/18/2007 5:46:54 AM PDT by Brilliant
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