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Gun Bill Not Anti-Veteran
Military.com ^ | 10/2/07 | Larry Scott

Posted on 10/16/2007 7:47:27 AM PDT by Joe Brower

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To: Joe Brower

When Democrats propose a new “gun law”, it’s never what it seems.


21 posted on 10/16/2007 2:16:50 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Joe Brower

Larry Scott should be believed because.........?


22 posted on 10/16/2007 2:17:06 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Joe Brower; Lurker; sit-rep; Travis McGee

Ok I searched a little on Larry’s political slant on different subjects and long story short Gun Owners trusting Larry is like Chickens trusting Col Sanders.......:o)

http://www.military.com/Opinions/0,,Scott_Index,00.html


23 posted on 10/16/2007 2:28:02 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: kAcknor
You post says you are against arming airline pilots.

Do you think ex-military airline pilots can’t handle a peashooter like a handgun after they used missile laden aircraft?

[Your logic says since feinswein was for arming the pilots you are immediately for the opposite side.]

24 posted on 10/16/2007 3:18:26 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5
That is so full of crap there is no point of an answer.

Post again when you are thinking clearly enough to post a cognitive response.

25 posted on 10/16/2007 4:37:45 PM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No miss, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: NYFriend
That’s what this is about.

Hardly. That is what they would like you to think.

26 posted on 10/16/2007 5:52:35 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Joe Brower

I’d sure like to see all the effort the NRA has put into this “improving” or “strengthening” the Brady Instant Check system, instead be put into repealing it. It’s just as unconstitutional as any other “infringement” on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.


27 posted on 10/16/2007 9:50:00 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Joe Brower
(A) PROGRAM FOR RELIEF FROM DISABILITIES- Each department or agency of the United States that makes any adjudication or determination related to the mental health of a person or imposes any commitment to a mental institution, as described in subsection (d)(4) and (g)(4) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, shall establish a program that permits such a person to apply for relief from the disabilities imposed by such subsections. Relief and judicial review shall be available according to the standards prescribed in section 925(c) of title 18, United States Code.

And every year, Chuckles the Clown (and senior Sinator from New York), will prohibit spending any appropriated funds on the program, just as he does with current "Relief from disability" programs.

28 posted on 10/16/2007 9:53:03 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SWO
(1986 GCA (?))

There is no 1986 GCA. The 1986 legislation was the Firearm Owners Protection Act. It was a good bill, repealing the more egregious provisions of the '68 GCA (Maybe that's what you meant), such as having to show ID and sign a register when purchasing "handgun" ammunition(including .22 rim fire), and removing the provisions against interstate shipment of ammunition directly to a consumer, It also provided several protections for gun owners, such as the ability to transport firearms from one state where possession of them is legal to another where is also legal, never mind the laws of states or localities in between (with limitations on the conditions of transport).

The one bad feature, and it's truly awful, because it was the first outright *ban* of a whole class of firearms for civilians, was a last minute (literally) addition that many did not even know was in the bill and fewer yet understood. In fact it was so poorly worded it should not have changed anything, but it's being enforced as the author intended, not as the law actually reads.

29 posted on 10/16/2007 10:03:58 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ozzymandus
Thanks for posting this. I see the dupes are still falling for GOA’s fundraising propaganda.

Even though I'm a member, I've not gotten an email or snail mail asking for money to fight this bill.

OTOH, the NRA, of which I'm also a member, sends a begging letter every couple of weeks, if not more often. Or one selling this or that "NRA Merchandise". I have no problem that, although it's got to be an immense expense compared to what it brings in. The NRA talking about the other groups "fund raising efforts" is definitely the pot calling the kettle black.

Even the Associate Press is calling this "the first major gun control law in more than a decade." ( "Bill on Gun Restrictions Bogged Down", By Laurie Kellman, The Associated Press, September 26, 2007)

Senator Coburn says "The bill does not fund a process by which such individuals can regain their rights.”

30 posted on 10/16/2007 10:34:04 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

BTTT


31 posted on 10/17/2007 6:18:12 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: El Gato

I was a member of GOA for one year, and I got tons of beg letters from them for years after that. I also got tons of beg letters from NRA until I sent them a letter telling them I was already a life member and that they were wasting money sending me junk mail. I haven’t gotten one since.

As for AP, do you believe anything they say? I don’t.


32 posted on 10/17/2007 11:35:57 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: El Gato
Thanks for the correction.
The 86 act is as good an example as any of why the NRA is foolish to go along with a “good bill” regardless of what it contains. The last ‘good’ bill got the machine gun ban in through the back door.
I was trying to suggest at a minimum there should be a self executing correction 'plus' to the new law the NRA endorsed. Don’t really create a way to regain lost gun rights? Fine. Can the bill you just passed and one more. In this case, won't fund the appeal process? OK Chuck, we're going to start selling full autos again. Grabbers won’t vote for that amendment? Ask them to explain why. Yeah it’s stupid, but with the NRA pushing improved gun laws what do you expect? Better to force the other side to go first the next time. Put them on the defensive the next time.
33 posted on 10/18/2007 5:14:45 PM PDT by SWO
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To: SWO
The 86 act is as good an example as any of why the NRA is foolish to go along with a “good bill” regardless of what it contains.

That one I'm not sure I blame them for. As I said the "machine gun ban" was a last minute floor amendment, and no one really knew what it meant, although they did know the intent of it's author. I suspect the NRA thought, if they knew at all, that because of the poor wording, the ban would be unenforceable. OTOH, I don't recall it being challenge in court either.

Machine guns and NFA weapons in general have been so demonized that virtually no one will challenge the First Federal Gun Gun Control law. Regarding that law, the sponsors wanted to treat handguns the same as Machine Guns. In the late 1930s, Roosevelt's attorney general had asked Congress to require every owner of a rifle, shotgun, revolver or pistol to register his weapon with the bureau of internal revenue. A tax of one dollar would have been payable for every firearm sold. The attorney general stated that this legislation would broaden the scope of the NFA and "would place a potent weapon against criminals in the hands of law-enforcement officers." (See Chi. Daily News, May 4, 1937, at 4.)

It took until the very '94 Brady Act that this very Gun Bill is "improving" before the federal government got in the position to be able to register, each and every firearm sale from a dealer.

If Canckles becomes President, and the 'Rats retain control of Congress, BOHICA, big time.

34 posted on 10/18/2007 9:09:30 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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