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Builders Giving Up On The Sinking Market (4 Trillion in Losses)
CBS News ^ | Oct. 10, 2007 | CNS

Posted on 10/16/2007 7:15:41 AM PDT by 2banana

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To: 2banana

Not in EVERY market, however. California, Washington DC area, Boston, etc.......markets that were obscenely overpriced for so long are taking the major hits. Where I live (north Raleigh, NC)? Properties are doing JUST fine, tyvm.


41 posted on 10/16/2007 9:10:07 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: CDHart

Isn’t that a question that varies according to age, income and net worth (i.e., ability to absorb risk)? Sounds like a better question for a personal financial analyst rather than someone posting on a web site.


42 posted on 10/16/2007 9:11:33 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

It’s the mentality these days. Everybody thinks they are entitled to half a million if their Big Mac has too much cheese.


43 posted on 10/16/2007 9:12:14 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: 2banana; Sender
It is going to be a tidal wave...

Except for folks like me and sender, who you admit will be "more than fine." That's not exactly doomsday.

The so-called "tidal wave" will just mean lots of lenders stuck with lots of real estate that will have to be auctioned off. And some folks will have to move to smaller homes while they get their finances back in order.

44 posted on 10/16/2007 9:14:52 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: RightOnline
Where I live (north Raleigh, NC)? Properties are doing JUST fine, tyvm.

Maybe - ask yourself these questions

Can the average wage earner afford the average house (at about 3x wages)?
Can you buy a rental house and have a postive cash flow from day 1?
Is the price/(Rent-Expenses) of housing stock at around 12?

45 posted on 10/16/2007 9:23:42 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Alberta's Child
I agree with your assessment that falling interest rates created a problem. In retrospect, banks were engaged in risky investment strategies. They should not have been advertising CD rates at those levels and periods. Those CDs should have been offered at near risk-free rates. The FDIC insurance may have contributed to the reckless CD practices.

I am not sure why fixed mortgages do not have prepayment penalties. Corporate bonds often have prepayment penalties. I am not sure why fixed rate mortgages are offered at such favorable terms if there is so much exposure on changing interest rates.

In a larger sense, it is easy to criticize in hindsight. The movement of interest rates and the collapse of the energy industry were not expected. Even with more prudent policies, there would have been much pain.

46 posted on 10/16/2007 9:31:42 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: 2banana

I walked away from about 500k (appraised value) of houses, because they were worth less than I owed. I’m a statistic too! Went from 170k appraisal to 115k appraisal in a year.


47 posted on 10/16/2007 9:32:22 AM PDT by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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To: Larry Lucido
Well, I've decided that most everyone knows more about it than I do. All opinions are welcome.

Carolyn

48 posted on 10/16/2007 9:33:43 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: 2banana

Builders have been shutting down in my area as well.


49 posted on 10/16/2007 9:34:52 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: ßuddaßudd
"I would be interested in buying one of those vacant houses at cost and plus maybe 10%."

Most sellers are selling below cost here in AZ. You take cost+10% you're awfully generous.

50 posted on 10/16/2007 9:37:28 AM PDT by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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To: pianomikey
I didnt realize it was that bad.
51 posted on 10/16/2007 9:39:24 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: ßuddaßudd

My cost was ~135k to build the houses, they sold at auction for 115. That’s in Casa Grande, though, things are a little better up in Phoenix, but not by too much. I ended up doing much of the work myself in order to “pay” myself the labor cost to keep food on the table. It wasn’t greedy/get rich, it was simply markets tumbling by 40 percent or more in response to interest rates climbing. The numbers made sense when I purchased, but nobody predicted a 40% plunge except perhaps the “gloom and doomers”. They were completely correct here.


52 posted on 10/16/2007 9:49:22 AM PDT by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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To: Alberta's Child
n effect, the real problem is that the U.S. banking system is rigged so that EVERY MORTGAGE IS AN ADJUSTABLE RATE MORTGAGE -- but only for the homeowner, not the bank.

Hence the "points" and "fees" charged by the bank when issuing the loan in the first place.

53 posted on 10/16/2007 9:56:28 AM PDT by whd23
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To: whd23

Companies like Linux Financial and a few others have been “changing the game” (their words) by doing no-fee-no-point refis. Probably just to perfect creditors though, so it doesn’t change the B-paper and Alt-A loans that shouldn’t have been made in the first place.


54 posted on 10/16/2007 10:02:29 AM PDT by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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To: 2banana
Partially-built houses are being left in developments as builders walk away from a collapsing home market. Homeowners who bought at the market's peak are left to absorb costs.

That's because y'all buncha idiots worked the market like a Ponzi scheme!!!

Knuckleheads.

55 posted on 10/16/2007 10:05:03 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: pianomikey

Oops, I mean “credit SCORERS” not creditors.


56 posted on 10/16/2007 10:07:18 AM PDT by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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To: pianomikey

Having a hard time garnering much sympathy unless there was fraud (greed and foolishness don’t count). Definition of a fair price is one on which a willing buyer and a willing seller agree.

Personally, I’m putting all my money into tulips.


57 posted on 10/16/2007 10:10:08 AM PDT by starlifter
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Homeowners who bought at the market's peak are left to absorb costs.

Waaaahhhh... It's a matter of common sense. If one has any, they could have easily asked themselves--- Hmmm.. Housing prices have doubled here in 5 yrs, has my salary doubled during the same time?? Stupid people do stupid things. The smarter ones learn from their mistakes.

58 posted on 10/16/2007 10:13:00 AM PDT by petercooper ("Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime." - Nicole Gelinas - 02-10-04)
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To: petercooper
Housing prices have doubled here in 5 yrs, has my salary doubled during the same time?? Stupid people do stupid things.

Speculators don't think like that. Look at the stock markets in China and India. Doubling begets doubling again. At some point the bubble bursts, but they all think they are smart enough to get out ahead of time.

59 posted on 10/16/2007 10:21:47 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: businessprofessor
I am not sure why fixed mortgages do not have prepayment penalties. Corporate bonds often have prepayment penalties. I am not sure why fixed rate mortgages are offered at such favorable terms if there is so much exposure on changing interest rates.

I may be wrong about this, but I believe Federal banking laws prohibit prepayment penalties of this sort. Banks would love to be able to impose charges like this.

60 posted on 10/16/2007 10:35:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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