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To: JSteff
Do you think the dems thought that far ahead?

On what issue? The Democrats are not responsable for the Kurds ambitions for an independent Kurdistan or the PKK's actions in Turkey or PJAK's actions in Iran. On federalism, I've never liked Joe Biden's plan to partition Iraq and neither do the Iraqis (besides Hakim, who wants Basra carved off for him and his militia). As far as the Armenian Genocide debate - it has further aligned Turkey with Iran making Iran more influential and dangerous in the region. I have trouble accepting the idea that any American would intentionally make the situation more volatile, endangering American interests and the lives of our soldiers in the field for partisan political gain. On oil wealth distribution --- there should be a good law pushed through the Iraqi Parliament that should mandate benefits for all Iraqis (including the Kurds) irrespective of sectarian or ethnic differences. Honestly, I don't think many people are thinking very far ahead these days. From 30,000 ft It looks like a bunch of shortsighted power grabs that will lead to more violent conflict.

51 posted on 10/15/2007 11:49:08 PM PDT by humint (...err the least and endure! VDH)
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From a news source: "The Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) began fighting almost three decades ago for an independent homeland in Turkey’s southeast . . .

Then it hit. I'm old. I remember when Marxist groups "began fighting wars of liberation." They were F...ing Communists!

They didn't fight for "for an independent homeland." They wanted to create a "peoples republic."

How many times have the PKK been reported to be fighting for an independent homeland in Turkey?

Independent? Independent from whom? Turkey for sure. PUK? KDP? The Kurdiistan Regional Government in Iraq?

Yes! to all of them.

PUK, KDP, and all the Kurds in the Kurdiistan region of Iraq intend to create their own state. (Which may include eastern Turkey, then! it hits the fan.)

The point: why the hell would PUK, KDP, and all the Kurds in the Kurdiistan region of Iraq help or support in any way the PKK set up business in Turkey?

Abdullah Ocalan the founder of PKK is a threat to the PUK and KDP leaders, if he ever gets out of prison. Ocalan could be the Ernesto "Che" Guevara of that part of the world from what I've read.

52 posted on 10/15/2007 11:59:26 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: humint
“The Democrats are not responsible for the Kurds ambitions for an independent Kurdistan or the PKK’s actions in Turkey or PJAK’s actions in Iran. “

Kurdish reactions from here will be depending on what course Turkey takes. Turkey would have played it cool for a bit longer with the Kurds if the Dems had not instituted a statement of genocide on a 102 year old issue that the dems knew would piss off Turkey.

“On oil wealth distribution -— there should be a good law pushed through the Iraqi Parliament that should mandate benefits for all Iraqis (including the Kurds) irrespective of sectarian or ethnic differences. “

I believed they just agreed on that a few weeks ago.

“Honestly, I don’t think many people are thinking very far ahead these days. From 30,000 ft It looks like a bunch of shortsighted power grabs that will lead to more violent conflict.”

Maybe the dems are all at 30,000 feet in their own reality and not farsighted enough to see what their stupid resolution would bring. That was their power grab.

The Turks have been chomping at the bit for several years now over the PKK incursions and acts of terrorism. Their hand was somewhat called by the dems resolution because of islamist representatives in their government who particularly are using the resolution as a reason to incite their citizens to get upset at the U.S.

That caused a “let’s see whose needs who” reaction with the Kurds, Turkish legislature, Turkish military (who needs to at least act incensed) U.S. congress, the autonomous Kurds in Iraq, etc and the Iranians and elements in Turkey who want to get the oil pipeline laid and running in $$, and Iran who will jump into any conflict especially if it knocks us off our game.

There are many more layers and wheels than that. My question of “Do you think the dems thought that far ahead?” Was more along the lines of “Do you think the dems are smart enough to actually understand how far their childish play could muddy the waters or where the just trying to get our overflight access stopped.

I can’t see them being smart enough to see all the moves and players this would invite.

57 posted on 10/16/2007 1:42:47 AM PDT by JSteff (Reality= realizing you are not nearly important enough for the government to tap your phone.)
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