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To: RusIvan

Ivan, you could say that Putin’s anti-American propaganda actually works against the interests of Russia, and is in the interest of China and Islam, but you never say that. Who can hurt relations between the US and start a new Cold war, me, or you psychotic Chekist fuhrer Putin? I am just a little person who only reacts to the attacks made on my nation by your deranged leader. Putin attacks America and supports our enemies, stands with Islam against the USA, and sells China submarines to build their navy. So who is really starting the new Cold War?


28 posted on 10/17/2007 1:56:16 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ivan, you could say that Putin’s anti-American propaganda actually works against the interests of Russia, and is in the interest of China and Islam, but you never say that. Who can hurt relations between the US and start a new Cold war, me, or you psychotic Chekist fuhrer Putin? ==

Good question. I’ll try to answer sincerely.
About anti-american propaganda. It exists. I see it each day. I very frequantly discuss it with my friends. I speak to them from the my personal experience with America (as I told you I lived in America for few years). Accually I ‘m called the “America apologist” by them:). Funny isn’t it? You call me the “Russia apologist” here. I’m just as old Russian says as “I’m between 2 fires”.

SO what I tell you. Putin of cause did many things which irritate West. Why he does that? I’d say cause there are many things which West did to irritate Russia. Starting with Yugoslavia then Iraq now ABM missiles in Poland.
What do you think honestly? United States ignores Russia interests whatsoever but Russia will respect America interests? I do not think so.
Russia just play it back for reciprocal. Russian proverb says: “As you yell as the echo gets back to you”.

IMHO it is because West never listens Russia and ignore her. Then Russia ignores West opinions in return. And go and go. Now we almost contempt each other to the big pleasure of Muslims and China.
But I cautiously beleive that the new Cold war will not start. I think that Russia and West in the last moment will find ground for commons. What is going on now is just the war of nerves.

I am just a little person who only reacts to the attacks made on my nation by your deranged leader. ==

So am I. I would say that I have just more experienced than you:). Since I have my experience with Russia (naturally) and with America(!). But you have only american experience.
Good that your defend America but bad that you very often just do not know what you talk about. Naturally you lived whole life in America and did never see Russia.
So I think you should widen your exprerience in order we talked on equal.
Go to Russia at least as the tourist. You will see by your own eyes that “the Putin chekist fuhrership” is very very exxagarated at least:). Hopely, many of your worries will disappear as “the morning mist”.


29 posted on 10/18/2007 2:08:30 AM PDT by RusIvan
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