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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
RE: "the Turkish Kurds are caught in Turkey because of the borders drawn arbitrarily by the Brits.....The same thing happened to the Kurds in Iran and Iraq."

Yes, thank you. It's good to see some facts on these threads!

As far as Mexican v. Kurds IMO it's still a matter of culture / language preference regardless of how the borders came about -- BTW, I also draw an analogy with cross-border attacks on Turkish citizens and the violence on our border with Mexicorruption.

If the violence along our border continues to increase and drug criminals are killing our citizens in large numbers, would we stand by an watch? or go after the killers?

12 posted on 10/14/2007 6:20:41 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Relations were strained still more last week when the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee voted to classify Turkey's massacre of Armenian Christians at the end of World War I as an act of genocide, despite strong counter-lobbying by Turkish officials and the Bush administration. The House is set to debate the measure in November

On the matter of genocide, I personally believe that it was. But I do not blame the modern democratic republic of Turkey for sticking with condemning the massacre as "horrific," a consequence of W.W.I, and demanding that the world acknowledge the hundreds of thousands of other victims of those times. I do not know their government's official position but I think that that is close to it.

I do not blame them for several reasons.

First, what difference will a word make to the victims? and how will it make the horror even worse than it was? worse than everyone admits that it was?

Second, there's no effort to pressure Germany to admit Her role. Kaiser Wilhelm II and German military and civilian personnel participated in the genocide, both actively and passively. Why? Because Germany allied with Ottoman Turkey in the early 1880s and stuck with them even after the Young Turks deposed the Sultan. Why did Germany participate? Because Kaiser Wilhelm II had big plans and the ridding of a Christian people separating Turkey from the Turkoman people further east could only help; to wit, his plan included a possible war between Islam and Christians and step one of the plan to control the world was to extend Germany's influence all the way to Persia.

Third, IMO "genocide" is necessary to enhance Armenia's demands for reparations and territory. That's what this is about IMO. Armenia claims much of eastern Turkey. It seems to me that genocide will go a long way to get worldwide backing for Her demands against Turkey, perhaps even forcing Turkey to yield territory. (Fat chance)

Perhaps "genocide" will even make the efforts to force U.S. life insurance companies to dig out the list of Armenians who had policies back then. Efforts are in the courts and public passion may sway the judges. In Amb. Morganthau's book he mentions the name of the companies and even describes the efforts of a Young Turk leader (1916) to get him to help collect the money arguing that the Armenians are dead and the money should go to the state. I guess the money is still out there.

The comments about Germany are based upon the book by Vahakn N. Dadrian, "German Responsibility in the Armenian Genocide: A Review of the Historical Evidence of German Complicity".

Now don't anyone get their bowels in an uproar and start screaming, "Denier!", Mr. Dadrian believes that it was genocide, he just researched and documented Germany's supporting role.

And note this, Mr. Dadrian argues that the full disclosure and knowledge of this heinous crime could have perhaps prevented the Jewish holocaust of World War II.

Germany, at al helped cover it up way back then.

16 posted on 10/14/2007 7:53:55 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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