Posted on 10/14/2007 4:12:31 AM PDT by LonesomeHawk
It was never a civil war. You should not have bought the Enemy Media's propaganda. As is quite clear now, it was Iran making most of the mischief. Our going on the offensive has forced the Quds operatives to leave, and the results are impressive. Look at the drop in Iraqi fatalities at http://icasualties.org/oif/ since they were reportedly withdrawn recently.
On the thread's topic, I wonder if a Turk invasion, even a limited one, might not create forward political momentum in Iraq.
We’re payin’ their bills, they can go fly a kite - I’m in your corner on this.
I don’t read the enemy media, so there’s no way I buy into their propoganda. Denying the obvious is not a good military strategy. It was a civil war. Yes, the Iranians were sending in their groups of trouble makers as well.
Wasn't then and isn't now else the departure of Iranian operatives wouldn't have resulted in so large a drop in violence the last couple of months.
I see your argument amounts to looking up the latest republican talking points and parroting it. OK, then let’s take a different tack.
Consider it as a hypothetical. IF it WERE a civil war, then would that be a good strategy?
Now, I’ve noticed that so many who simply look up talking points and parrot them have a lot of trouble with hypotheticals. For instance, IF I gave you a million dollars, would you be a millionaire? It’s a yes or no question. Talking about the unlikelihood of me giving you a million dollars does not address the hypothetical. So if your answer amounts to more blather talking point gobbledegook, I won’t bother wasting any more time on you.
Where can I read the "republican talking point" that the recent withdrawal of Quds operatives accounts for the dramatic drop in fatalities the last two months?
This is almost like the WWI prelude....
The Kurds are tough fighters I understand.
It may have escaped your notice, but the Turks fought alongside US troops in the Korean War, during which they (re)gained a reputation as tough and determined fighters.
If they want to push this problem, bring em on, they could find themselves fighting Americans who they have such a low opinion of. The Kurds along with Israel are our only real allies in the region and I say we defend them against all invaders.
As the old saying goes, "Pickin' your fights is 50 percent of winnin' 'em". Neither we nor the Iraqi Kurds (whose tough talk I find amusing, considering the fact that they folded like lawn chairs when Clinton turned Saddam loose on 'em) need to be starting trouble with the Turks at this time.
If they want to survive they have reason to do so.
I assume you pointed this at someone else. My comment was "The Turks can go pound sand". Nothing in it about Kurds and/or fearing Turks.
Yep. Excuse me, I thought that you have posted this article and I was relating to the headline of it.
Actually, Yes. The Kurds have been attacking the Turks for years and years. Not that the Turks haven’t been brutal to the Kurds in Southern Turkey, to the point where it is hard to distinguish from ethnic cleansing. Both claim land that was once part of Kurdistan. and both have gone quite medieval on each other about that land. But one must pick the battles one can win, before they can consider even having a chance to “win the war”.
Haven’t you been able to find a link by now to the “republican talking point” you say I’m parroting?
See prior: So if your answer amounts to more blather talking point gobbledegook, I won’t bother wasting any more time on you.
I see, you had no basis whatsoever to claim I was parroting a “republican talking point.” You’re just another liar.
You failed to develop your argument and have downshifted into personal attack.
Point out the lie or I hit the abuse button, jerk. IIRC, the only other Freeper who ever called me a liar was nopardons, banned rudybot who is a bigwig over at WideAwake.
Here’s what I expect to see:
1) apology from you. sincere.
Here’s what I probably will see:
1) “apology” from you. insincere. I hit the abuse button.
or
2) Somehow you manage to show convincingly it is a lie, in which case I deliver a sincere apology.
or
3) You blithely continue to post on other threads and ignore this. I hit the abuse button on such bozos.
or
4) Lame attempts to justify your post with more oblique blather and obfuscations. I hit the abuse button.
IIRC, the Turks were pretty strong allies of ours as well, until recently. I seem to recall them agreeing to house U.S. strategic missiles over the strenuous objections of the USSR. Not to mention, they helped out in Korea and were staunch anti-Soviets (although they did get help from the Soviets in the years immediately following WWI). In terms of support, I believe that they receive far less than other allies who have done far less to further U.S. interests.
I’ll admit to having a soft spot for the Turks, but I see no problem with them cracking down on the PKK, a group that we all agree should be listed as a terrorist group.
We are right to complain about how Pakistan isn’t dealing with the jihadis on their border regions. Many on here have suggested that America take matters into her own hands and attack the jihadis in violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty. How is Turkey’s situation different? They have a “terrorist” enemy that probably is making use of the fairly porous Iraqi-Turkish border, and an Iraqi government that has said that they’ll deal with the problem but hasn’t done anything to address it. I know that the Iraqis are in no position to deal with the PKK, but from the Turkish viewpoint it must look like they’re doing nothing while Turks get blown up and ambushed at will.
Oh, by the way. IIRC, perhaps the cardinal reason that the Turks didn’t support us in Iraq is because of the situation we have now with a pretty much independent Kurdish norther which has increase Kurdish resolve in other countries notable Turkey and Iran (I don’t recall the ones in Syria doing anything).
I’m not saying they’re right or wrong to feel this way, but it serves as a good reminder that countries have interests, not friends. This holds true regardless of ally: the UK, FReeper favorite Israel, El Salvador, Poland, even Australia, which, IMHO, has been our staunchest ally. In this case, the Turkish government decided it was not in Turkey’s interest to let our troops topple Saddam.
I see your argument amounts to looking up the latest republican talking points and parroting it.That is a lie about my argument which is not a "republican talking point." In fact I've never seen anyone but me make that particular point. I gave you an opportunity, two in fact, to prove your claim but you ignored both and then whined about being abused. Poor baby.
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