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To: Vanders9

Wesley’s view is more attractive to me, but I have a modern sensibility as do you. Augustine and Calvin both shared a view of grace such that it is the work of God . . . and so any action leading to grace is the work of God . . . Is it wrong for a Catholic School to require attendance at Mass, or a Presbyterian or Protestant school to compel attendance of the students at chapel? We accept compulsion there as natural and normal because of the nature of the students and the school administrators. I think in the era, at least of Calvin, princes and subjects had a very different relationship than the citizen in freedom has today with his government as well . . . so the perspective politically is different. I don’t know about Calvinists talking too much, but my impression is that Calvin commented on everything he read and expressed everything he thought, very prolific, and there is chaff with the wheat possibly.


73 posted on 10/12/2007 6:31:48 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Greg F

Well it seems to me that the most fundamental freedoms that any nation can afford its citizens are the freedom of association and the freedom of dissent. Without those two, you just have a dictatorship of the majority. If that be the case, then it seems to me there is nothing wrong with a school that has compulsory attendence at Mass, or compulsory services or even compulsory observance of Ramadan, as long as both parents and adults understand and accept that position prior to signing on. That to me is far less dictatorial and dangerous than making children attend a school just because there doing so fulfils some artificial quota based on their race, or culture of origin, or gender.


118 posted on 10/15/2007 10:41:57 AM PDT by Vanders9
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