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To: 4CJ
Calhoun's analysis, not Lamon's.

Well, no. Not if you read what you post. Your quote from Tyler: "But the chief Justice, with the weight of eighty-four years upon him, as he left the house of his son-in-law, Mr. Campbell, remarked that it was likely he should be imprisoned in Fort McHenry before night; but that he was going to court to do his duty." That makes it clear that Taney told his fears to his son-in-law the morning before he issued the ruling so his paranoia had kicked in prior to Lincoln knowing what he was going to do and apparently continued after he issued his ruling. Now unless Calhoun's account is totally bogus, Lamon is saying that the discussion to arrest Taney occured after the decision and with other people present, not just Lamon and Lincoln. So there doesn't seem to have been anyone who could have given Taney a heads up on something that wasn't even discussed until after Taney first said he was going to be arrested. Kind of a disconnect there.

Try Memoir of Roger Brooke Taney, LL.D.: Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of The United States by Samuel Tyler.

Yes let's try that. Can you point out where in the book Tyler relates Lamon's story about the arrest warrant? And while you're at it, can you do the same for Lewis's biography or Steiner's biography or Allen's most recent biography? None of them have anything on Lamon's tale in them as well. And while I can't speak for Lewis and Steiner, I did email Dr. Allen after reading his "Lincoln and Chief Justice Taney: Slavery, Seccession, and the President's War Powers" and asked him that very question. Did he find any evidence supporting Lamon's story of the arrest warrant? He actually took the time to answer and his response was that no, he had found nothing to support the claim. So if not a single reputable biographer of Chief Justice Taney has found enough evidence supporting Lamon's claim to include it in their biography's then what do you know that they do not? Other than the product of your imagination, I mean?

404 posted on 10/24/2007 5:49:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Your quote from Tyler: "But the chief Justice, with the weight of eighty-four years upon him, as he left the house of his son-in-law, Mr. Campbell, remarked that it was likely he should be imprisoned in Fort McHenry before night; but that he was going to court to do his duty." That makes it clear that Taney told his fears to his son-in-law the morning before he issued the ruling ...

Duh, that Taney knew of his possible arrest BEFORE the ruling is not the issue.

... so his paranoia had kicked in prior to Lincoln knowing what he was going to do and apparently continued after he issued his ruling.

Why wouldn't Taney be fearful of being arrested? The dictator and his minions arrested anyone that interfered with Lincoln's power grab. They arrested editors, journalists, politicians, governors, federal and state judges, little girls singing Confederate/Southern songs, little girls playing such songs, even priests that refused to pray to for Lincoln. Lincoln arrested federal judge William Matthew Merrick, judge James L. Bartol, threatened to deport Pennsylvania Chief Justice Walter Hoge Lowrie, and his goons arrested Maryland Judge Richard Bennett Carmichael in the middle of a trial, beating him senseless.

The administration also jailed Judges John H. Mulkey and Andrew D. Duff, just to name some more. Why would Lincoln do this? Possibly because he was a megalomaniac, stating that he 'had sometime thought that perhaps he might be an instrument in God's hands of accomplishing a great work.'

Hail Caesar! </sarcasm>

Now unless Calhoun's account is totally bogus, Lamon is saying that the discussion to arrest Taney occured after the decision and with other people present, not just Lamon and Lincoln.

Calhoun is the one stating that it was after the decision. This is a quote --->"<---, and so is this --->'<---. Calhoun places LAMON's words in quotes, everything else is Calhoun's. To help the visually (and mentally) impaired, Lamon's words are bolded and blue:

Taney’s opinion seriously embarrassed Lincoln and his advisers. Southern sympathizers and Northern opponents of the war praised Taney as a partisan of civil liberties standing alone against military tyranny.

Taney’s opinion exacerbated the delicate situation in Maryland, a border state yet undecided in its commitment to the Union. According to Marshal Lamon, “after due consideration the administration determined upon the arrest of the Chief Justice.” Lincoln issued a presidential arrest warrant for Taney, but “then arose the question of service.” Who should make the arrest, and where should Taney be imprisoned? "It was finally determined," Lamon remembered, "to place the order of arrest in the hands of the United States Marshal for the District of Columbia.” Lincoln himself handed the warrant to his friend, instructing the marshal to “use his own discretion about making the arrest unless he should receive further orders.” Lamon, availing himself of this discretionary power, decided not to arrest Chief Justice Taney.

Lamon stated that 'Chief Justice Taney was the greatest and best man I ever saw', not Lincoln. He had his orders, but was commanded to use his own discretion. He could have easily let Taney know that his arrest was under consideration. Why would Lincoln trust Lamon? 5 Jun 1861 Lincoln said of his friend, 'Lamon, is entirely reliable, and trustworthy'.

So if not a single reputable biographer of Chief Justice Taney has found enough evidence supporting Lamon's claim to include it in their biography's then what do you know that they do not? Other than the product of your imagination, I mean?

What next noni? The same old cat-and-mouse game - you guys are always the same and Walt was a master of it. Ask for a source, one was provided. Then it must be two sources. If those are provided, that it becomes three. Can you understand why I ridicule your Bizzaro MBA? Here we have Lincoln's closest friend and confidant, a man Lincoln trusted with his life (and whom threatened to resign when Lincoln overruled him regarding Lincoln's lax security measures) stating that Lincoln personally handed him the warrant. What judge had the administration arrested prior to Taney's decision?

Secondly we have the highest judicial officer of the land, Chief Justice Taney indicating his knowledge of the same. We have Taney stating it publicly on his way to the court, and again to Baltimore Chief Judge and Mayor Brown, who himself was arrested by the Lincoln's gestapo.

Sen. Trusten Polk commended Taney for his courage issuing the decision(not for playing tiddlywinks), Sen. Thomas Semmes documented the threats against Taney (who else would threaten Taney?), and former Supreme Court justice Curtis - no friend of Taney's - writes that the administration 'came near to the commission of a great crime', and clears up any doubts as to who the guilty party was when he wrote that 'if the President shall be of opinion that the arrest and incarceration, and trial before a military commission, of a judge of the United States, for some judicial decision', he lacked the power. What judicial decision could Curtis be referring to? What Judge?

405 posted on 10/24/2007 8:35:35 AM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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