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To: Non-Sequitur
What? No question on the legitimacy of the confederacy's unelected president?

He was elected by a constitutional convention. According to you that's the will of the people.

I've read Lincoln's first inaugural, and I highly recommend you do the same.

There it is. He threatened invasion if the tax/tribute wasn't paid. Like I said.

Not an single aggressive action was taken prior to the confederacy's bombardment of Sumter.

It doesn't matter what order things happenen in. Lincoln had no right to collect taxes from South Carolina after South Carolina became an independent Nation.

More hogwash. Lincoln's actions on habeas corpus may or may not have been Constitutional, the Supreme Court never ruled on it. But Davis threw opposition figures in jail, didn't establish a Supreme Court, implemented protective tariffs and, if stories be true, promised the European powers he would end slavery if they recognized the confederacy. All in violation of his own constitution. Yet nary a complaint about that from the Southern hypocrisy crowd.

Don't you ever get tired of defending ancient war propaganda? Davis was faced with invasion by a foreign power. And unlike Lincoln, enjoyed the support of most of his population for most of his actions.

And you can hardly compare Lincoln's jailing of 30,000 people whose only crime was to speak or write against the war with anything Jefferson Davis did.

279 posted on 10/14/2007 4:05:05 PM PDT by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: antinomian
He was elected by a constitutional convention. According to you that's the will of the people.

He was the 4th or 5th choice of the secession convention, and later ran unopposed. Castro couldn't have done better.

There it is. He threatened invasion if the tax/tribute wasn't paid. Like I said.

Nah, he threatened invasion to deliver the mail. </sarcasm>

It doesn't matter what order things happenen in. Lincoln had no right to collect taxes from South Carolina after South Carolina became an independent Nation.

I'm not aware of any tariff revenue that was collected after Lincoln was inagurated. The confederacy started a war anyway.

Don't you ever get tired of defending ancient war propaganda? Davis was faced with invasion by a foreign power. And unlike Lincoln, enjoyed the support of most of his population for most of his actions.

Don't you ever get tired of the nonsense you post? Davis started a war, so that was a reason not to establish the third branch of government his constitution required, ignore the restrictions against a protective tariff, and offer to end slavery in spite of the fact that the constitution did not give him that power? Well, Lincoln was faced with war, too. Why couldn't he have bent the constitution a bit?

And you can hardly compare Lincoln's jailing of 30,000 people whose only crime was to speak or write against the war with anything Jefferson Davis did.

Mark Neely wrote two books on the subject: "The Fate of Liberty: Abraham Lincoln and Civil Liberties" and "Southern Rights: Political Prisoners and the Myth of Confederate Constitutionalism". After extensive research Neely's not only came to a figure considerably smaller than the 30,000 you claim but he also found out that on a per capita basis one was more likely to be locked up without trial in a Jeff Davis confederacy than in Abe Lincoln's Union. But of course you'll say that the war made that all OK.

280 posted on 10/14/2007 5:49:18 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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