Posted on 10/11/2007 2:41:12 PM PDT by Lorianne
free dixie,sw
face it, N-S, you are defending FILTH, liars, bigots,creeps & HYPOCRYTES (who a decent man would cross the street to keep from speaking to).
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No, still waiting for you to provide a source saying Quantrill was born in New York City. Imaginary deacons don't count.
the FACTS are that without the SELF-righteous,SELF-serving, sanctimonious,elitist HYPOCRYTES of the new england area & NY, there would have been NO slavery.
further, there were MANY who were publicly "abolitionists", who were at the same time IN the slave trade. (fwiw, i despise a HYPOCRTYE & a "2-face" worse than even i despise a slaver.)
also, there were just about the SAME percentage of slave-OWNERS (5-6%)in the north as there ever was in dixie. neither side's hands were/are clean.
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fwiw, BOTH the SCV & UDC have attempted REPEATEDLY to sue these groups.
at every turn we have been stopped by the LIBERAL federal judges, who say that we descendants "have no standing" before the court on this issue.
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by mid-'62 ALL the larger CSA military units were desegregated.
the CSMC was ALWAYS desegregated.
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Don’t shoot at me. I am not fighting.
DECEIT,
HALF-truths,
"changing the subject",
"twisting the truth into a pretzel",
outright lies &
SELF-righteous myths.
truth is a stranger to you & to every other ARROGANT, sanctimonious, DAMNyankee.
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"can you say Latin America & the Caribbean, children??" "SURE you CAN!!!"
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NOTHING was beneath the ELITIST, DAMNyankee FILTH that bought,sold,transported,financed & (frequently at the SAME time condemned) "the peculiar institution".
face it, you are defending FILTH, BIGOTS & HYPOCRTYES.
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there are more SEGREGATED schools in new england than there are in ALL of dixie, as i write these lines. perhaps, we should send you DAMNyankees some dixie "freedom riders" to help you desegregate YOUR schools.(we'll be PLEASED to "return the favor".)
further, as i've said before, when my Jewish business partner & i travel, it is in the NORTH, where people make HATE-filled/STUPID comments about her being Jewish. ( she always wears the Star of David on a chain around her neck.)
in all our travels,i've heard NOT one single such comment anywhere in dixie/the west.
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what i DID say was that the Rector of St John's said that he was baptized there.
so once more, you are caught trying to DECEIVE the UNWARY, who are not as ignorant of the "uncomfortable facts" as you & your DAMNyankee ilk wish they were.
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What I was also trying to say was that there was a lot of the infrastructure of slave trading built first in the Chesapeake, then in the Carolinas, and later in New Orleans and Mobile: wharfs, warehouses, holding pens, auction houses, banks, wagon transport. And there was a large workforce there to take the slaves off the ships, sell them, and send them to their new masters. It wasn't as though the hated Yanqui did all the work or got all the profits.
Also, this wasn't simply an American affair. British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, and others were involved. There's a caricature that the evil Yanqui, the enemy of humanity, was at the root of it all but that's hardly the case.
You seem to be implying that we didn't learn about New England's involvement in the slave trade in school. Look at any old textbook for the "triangular trade." It's in there. If you went to school over the past fifty years and took US history, you heard about it. The moral perspective wasn't made much of, but let's be honest: the same was true of slaveowning. Southern history benefited from the same kind of whitewashing as Northern.
Of course the slave trade was horrendous, but it looks like all you're doing is taking the odium of slavery and putting it on the slave traders in hopes that it somehow will wash away the horrors of Southern slavery. I suspect the common response will simply be "a plague on both your houses," but you seem to think that the evils of the slave trade somehow vindicate the slave owners.
I certainly would admit that many Northerners were hypocritical in not seeing how much a part of Northern history slavery and the slave trade had been. There ought to have been a recognition of shared guilt, rather than of Southern evil and Northern innocence. In that, perhaps, they simply inverted the Southern perception of good, paternalistic slave masters and evil abolitionists.
But there are two problems I see in your presentation. First, what about individualism? Is a person required to support something wrong because his or her parents or grandparents may have profited from it? Isn't each person the keeper of his or her own conscience?
Secondly, doesn't your perspective encourage slaveowners to do nothing about the system? If a slaveowner gets religion and supports abolition, he's somehow a "hypocrite." If he simply perpetuate the system, he avoids the dreaded sin of "hypocrisy," doesn't make moral claims for himself, and doesn't make others look bad. So the latter option is more honest, authentic, and modest. The former is just moral showboating. Something's very wrong with that calculus.
swattie, let your imaginary friend know about freerepublic.com so that she can back you up on this.
Otherwise, it's just another wild claim from the resident wild man.
BTW I congratulate you on your many FACTfilled posts.
I thought they were just so much opinionated BILGE until you set me straight.
Your innovative TYPOGRAPHY is also catching on.
I’m not implying anything.
You mused about did anyone have any real facts on which ports most “most” slaves came through.
I found that link....that is all.
My books don’t really say.
It would appear that the pre-revolutionary trade was mostly Northeast and VA and Charleston and Savannah and NOLA
between that and 1808, it would stand to reason as more northern states phased out and compensated slavery’s abolition in some northern states, that more of the traffic would have come into Southern ports but I could be wrong
but before that time, there is no doubt that the majority of slavers, slave ship owners and trading companies involved in it were north of Virginia.
I really don’t feel a need to wash anyone’s hands and never gave this crap much thought till i ran into my first neoabolitionist types on this forum 7 years ago.
Since then, I’ve decided to do my part to see the accusations meted out even handedly.
Some northerners were up to their eyeballs in slavery till it no longer suited them or it got too hot politically.
And nearly all northerners were racist same as southerners (as though I give a damn) but since you guys do. There.
What I will always find odd is how nasty yankees often were to blacks even though there hardly enough of them around to matter unlike down here.
Sorta like it still is today...lol
For someone in 1860, though, slavery was a live issue, and a lot of real choices with serious consequences were involved.
Most of this North-South back and forth today isn't really relevant to the choices someone would have had to make back then.
But to chatter away about Northern hypocrisy and moral equivalency at a time when slavery was a live issue would have been something altogether different.
Even in 1960 there would have been real problems with that kind of talk.
I really don’t feel a need to wash anyone’s hands and never gave this crap much thought till i ran into my first neoabolitionist types on this forum 7 years ago.
I'd have thought that we were all more or less "neoabolitionist." What's the alternative "neo-pro-slavery"?
fwiw, "my imaginary friend" IS a FReeper. and further, she is WELL-known to the members of the DC chapter.
our "adventure" in NYC has been commented on several times on various threads.
so, "mr know it all", the JOKE (as usual) is on YOU, dunce/bigot/FOOL.
don't you get tired of being thought "the resident retard" & "useful idiot" by most people, who read your NONSENSE???
PLEASE "stick around", as you are DAMAGING to the "cause" of the "radical unionist, nut-ball, HATE-filled, ignorant fringe" of FR's DAMNyankee "posters", with every piece of NONSENSE & arrogantly ignorant breath.
free dixie,sw
There were jewish policeman supporting the Nazi rule in the Warsaw Ghetto.
Someone should have told this family when you’re in a hole, stop digging.
face it, "x", you're a JOKE to everyone on FR who has an IQ greater than their belt size.
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