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To: Froufrou

Big deal. It’s pretty much a restatement of what the apostle Paul wrote in Romans 9 and 10.


559 posted on 10/11/2007 8:33:04 PM PDT by Sloth (Democrats and GOPers are to government what Jeffrey Dahmer and Michael Jackson are to babysitting)
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To: Sloth
Big deal. It’s pretty much a restatement of what the apostle Paul wrote in Romans 9 and 10.

Well, he does say that God chose and still chooses the Jewish people, and they mystery of that love and their redemption in God's hands - Romans 11:

28 In respect to the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but in respect to election, they are beloved because of the patriarchs.
29 For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.
30 Just as you once disobeyed God but have now received mercy because of their disobedience,
31 so they have now disobeyed in order that, by virtue of the mercy shown to you, they too may (now) receive mercy.
32 For God delivered all to disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How inscrutable are his judgments and how unsearchable his ways!
34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord or who has been his counselor?"
35 "Or who has given him anything that he may be repaid?"
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.

This thread and its convolutions of what makes a person anti-semetic or anti-Israel or pro-Israel but anti-semetic or pro-Jew but anti-Israel reminds me of the "Dennis Moore" episode of Monty Python:

"Blimey - this redistribution of wealth branding people anti-semetic is trickier than I thought!"

PS - If Ron Paul had said what Anne said, the usual pack of townsfolks would be here with their torches and pitchforks.

595 posted on 10/12/2007 5:06:29 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: Sloth; Froufrou
.....what the apostle Paul wrote in Romans 9 and 10....

Paulie had the common sense to write it dowwn, not broadcast it in the studio of a left-wing fink like Deutsch, and leave himself wide open for a charge of anti-semitism, no matter how spurious.

Interesting that Paulie (look I know it's disrepectful to some, but I feel a know the guy, OK?) was addressing the first big problem Christianity had... i.e, did one have to become a Jew before becoming a Christian, complete with circumcision? As the Romans considered Christianity a Jewish sect, which of course is exactly what it had been up until then, this was an excellent question.

Marketing genius that he was, Paulie wanted to sell Christianity to a bigger market, and did away with the surgical requirements. As far as the "Perfected Jews" idea goes, it has very deep Puritan roots in this country. The founders, especially the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony (as opposed to the Pilgrims) considered themselves the latest model of the Chosen People, and were certainly a great deal more tolerant of Jews than they were of Catholics or Quakers, even to the extent of having rabbis on the faculty of Harvard and Yale to teach the new ministers proper Hebrew.

However, none of this is to defend Annie, who needs a good long rest in the country and to stop dating Andrew Stein, who does need a great deal of perfecting .. probably not at first as a Christian. Working that jerk up to human would be a better idea.

597 posted on 10/12/2007 5:28:00 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( Teddy K's 'Immigration Reform Act' of 1965. ¡Grácias, Borracho!)
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