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To: papasmurf

“Can’t say who, but I hear of high level Iraqi problems coming down the pike that will, if fulfilled, reverse our gains in propping up their Gov’t. I’m sure others have heard the same things.”

I personally always thought it was a pipe dream to try to establish a western style democracy in the ME. I realize that sometimes bombs have to drop, and military forces deployed, but it seems a waste of time money and manpower to try to give a free hand to a majority that mostly seems to want to rev up old tribal grievances.


To make matters worse, did you catch the little snippet by McCain last night about the Iran issue becoming a reality sooner than we think? Think he knows something? Hmmm.”

That’s hard to say. Maybe he does know something, or maybe it was political posturing. I say that because at this point, you don’t exactly have to be Madame Cleo to spot the pattern, and figure out what’s next.


43 posted on 10/10/2007 7:55:53 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob
I personally always thought it was a pipe dream to try to establish a western style democracy in the ME.

True word. OTOH, we had the beginnings of facsimile democracy building in Iran...before carter pulled the plug and sabotaged it. How many years, how many lives,and how much money did he toss in doing that? Fidiot!
51 posted on 10/10/2007 8:32:40 PM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
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To: snarkybob

“I personally always thought it was a pipe dream to try to establish a western style democracy in the ME. I realize that sometimes bombs have to drop, and military forces deployed, but it seems a waste of time money and manpower to try to give a free hand to a majority that mostly seems to want to rev up old tribal grievances.”

I think our goals in Iraq will eventually come to failure, not because we didn’t try, and certainly not because our military hasn’t done an exemplary job in a tough situation, but because I’m afraid we’ve been trying to give a Muslim nation something they don’t want.

I think we’ll pull out gradually after 2008, and leave it fairly stable. Then, in very few years, the Iraqis will either, though violence or a democratic process, they will soon have a strict Islamic government that will make the old Taliban proud, and it won’t be much of a friend of the US.

But I still think it might be stable enough a year from now that it might not have much impact on the presidential race.


52 posted on 10/10/2007 8:49:41 PM PDT by Will88
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