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Thompson's Strategy For The South
The Atlantic ^ | October 10, 2007 | Marc Ambinder

Posted on 10/10/2007 3:43:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Will88

Sorry that mail is so long.
You raise some good points. I’m really interested to see how it all shakes out.


41 posted on 10/10/2007 7:46:20 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob
At this point in time I don’t think there will be enough significant change to matter. Again that was a phrase I heard a lot going into 06, that Iraq could be turned around by Nov. I’m not saying things aren’t improving, just that after this long, and this much money, I don’t think things have time to improve enough to help the GOP in 08.

Not only do I think you're correct, you may be more correct than you realize. Can't say who, but I hear of high level Iraqi problems coming down the pike that will, if fulfilled, reverse our gains in propping up their Gov't. I'm sure others have heard the same things.

To make matters worse, did you catch the little snippet by McCain last night about the Iran issue becoming a reality sooner than we think? Think he knows something? Hmmm.
42 posted on 10/10/2007 7:47:39 PM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
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To: papasmurf

“Can’t say who, but I hear of high level Iraqi problems coming down the pike that will, if fulfilled, reverse our gains in propping up their Gov’t. I’m sure others have heard the same things.”

I personally always thought it was a pipe dream to try to establish a western style democracy in the ME. I realize that sometimes bombs have to drop, and military forces deployed, but it seems a waste of time money and manpower to try to give a free hand to a majority that mostly seems to want to rev up old tribal grievances.


To make matters worse, did you catch the little snippet by McCain last night about the Iran issue becoming a reality sooner than we think? Think he knows something? Hmmm.”

That’s hard to say. Maybe he does know something, or maybe it was political posturing. I say that because at this point, you don’t exactly have to be Madame Cleo to spot the pattern, and figure out what’s next.


43 posted on 10/10/2007 7:55:53 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As someone that became a Freeper over Clinton and what he was doing to the country, after just reading Ann Coulter I’ve decided to no longer support Fred. I am again undecided.


44 posted on 10/10/2007 7:55:59 PM PDT by CT (Thompson wouldn't convict Clinton, and now I won't vote Fred)
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To: CT

Fred Thompson voted to impeach Bill Clinton on the other count of the indictment, something Ann somehow forgot to mention. Wonder why?


45 posted on 10/10/2007 8:05:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: Robe

“How can we stop Hillary and Rudy?” should be the question every conservative asks in the coming days.


46 posted on 10/10/2007 8:14:31 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: snarkybob

MMMMMMMMaybe!
I happen to know a couple of Democrats {old style} who said even before he got in the race, that they would vote for Fred if Hildabeast was the Dem nominee.
There may be more out there that loathe her than we know.


47 posted on 10/10/2007 8:18:32 PM PDT by MIgramma (FEAR= False Evidence Alleged Real)
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To: Robe
No one eats their own like the Republicans..

This is a conservative website and Rudy isn't a conservative.

Liberalism is advanced by electing liberals to office. Both Hillary and Rudy will advance liberalism. The latter will make both parties left-of-center parties with your vote.

48 posted on 10/10/2007 8:19:35 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky

Well said!


49 posted on 10/10/2007 8:24:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: Robe
Really.. who promised to appoint judges that will adhere to the constitution, not subvert it

Who promised a middle-class tax cut in 1992?

Have considered the possibility that an adulterer with a liberal record that has flip-flopped on multiple issues isn't going to be any more likely to keep his word than the Democratic adulterer, liberal and flip-flopper did in 1992?

The ONLY chance of making any progress on the courts is a conservative President with a Republican majority in the Senate.

50 posted on 10/10/2007 8:25:09 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: snarkybob
I personally always thought it was a pipe dream to try to establish a western style democracy in the ME.

True word. OTOH, we had the beginnings of facsimile democracy building in Iran...before carter pulled the plug and sabotaged it. How many years, how many lives,and how much money did he toss in doing that? Fidiot!
51 posted on 10/10/2007 8:32:40 PM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
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To: snarkybob

“I personally always thought it was a pipe dream to try to establish a western style democracy in the ME. I realize that sometimes bombs have to drop, and military forces deployed, but it seems a waste of time money and manpower to try to give a free hand to a majority that mostly seems to want to rev up old tribal grievances.”

I think our goals in Iraq will eventually come to failure, not because we didn’t try, and certainly not because our military hasn’t done an exemplary job in a tough situation, but because I’m afraid we’ve been trying to give a Muslim nation something they don’t want.

I think we’ll pull out gradually after 2008, and leave it fairly stable. Then, in very few years, the Iraqis will either, though violence or a democratic process, they will soon have a strict Islamic government that will make the old Taliban proud, and it won’t be much of a friend of the US.

But I still think it might be stable enough a year from now that it might not have much impact on the presidential race.


52 posted on 10/10/2007 8:49:41 PM PDT by Will88
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To: papasmurf

James Earl Carter was the worst President in our history, and the worst EX-President as well.

As a matter of fact, Carter is pretty much a human disaster on every level imaginable.


53 posted on 10/10/2007 8:52:42 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: papasmurf

What the Shah had going in Iran wasn’t really democracy, but at least it was stable, pro-Western, and development oriented. Under the Shah’s rule, Iran had a chance at becoming a mature nation, with happy prosperous inhabitants.

That is until Carter, at the urging of his National Insecuity Advisor, Zbigniew (Dr. Strangelove) Bzrzinski, unleashed the so-called “Islamic Bomb” against the Soviet Union. His theory was that it would be in our national interest if Islamists could be unleashed against the soft underbelly of the Soviet Union.

All Carter managed to prove once again is that even if you can unleash a Frankenstein monster, it doesn’t mean you can control it. He should have watched the movie version first.


54 posted on 10/10/2007 9:05:00 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Will88

Some of the primary states are ‘winner take all’ states, where you can win all the primary delegates just by coming in first in a crowded field.


55 posted on 10/10/2007 9:05:30 PM PDT by WOSG (I just wish freepers would bash Democrats as much as they bash Republicans)
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To: kbennkc
There really exist people who seem otherwise sane , who swear to me they will not sit out if Rudy is the nominee , they will vote for Hillary and do everything in their power to finish the total destruction of the Republican party .

Such comments remind me of those who thought the European farmers being chased out of Zimbabwe should have salted the fields before they left: why bother? If Rudy becomes the nominee the Formerly-Grand-Old-Party won't need any further help to destroy itself.

56 posted on 10/10/2007 9:46:07 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Robe
Really.. who promised to appoint judges that will adhere to the constitution, not subvert it
it’s all about the Supreme Court !!!!!

You mean Hudy? The same Hudy who's case subverting the 2nd Amendment is still in the courts? That Hudy?

Hudy Cliuliani, Rillary Glinton, same difference.

57 posted on 10/10/2007 10:50:21 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Redcloak
Look folks, all I’m saying is this.. Would I like to see a strict Conservative and constitutionalists in office .. you bet.
But that’s not going to happen.
We’re not going to get control of the House AND Senate in 2008.
We are going to have to nominate the BEST guy that can BEAT Hillary.
Beating Hillary IS PARAMONT...
Compromise is the stuff of politics.. if you all get into a pi$$ing contest over who’s the most Conservative and not vote for this one or that one then you have delivered the White House to the Beast... One issue nitpickers will doom us...
58 posted on 10/11/2007 6:16:57 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe
Look folks, all I’m saying is this.. Would I like to see a strict Conservative and constitutionalists in office .. you bet.
But that’s not going to happen.

It will never happen if people liike you decide that we're beaten before a single vote has been cast.

We are going to have to nominate the BEST guy that can BEAT Hillary.
Beating Hillary IS PARAMONT...

Electing Hillary-lite is the same thing as electing Hillary. There is not one dime's worth of difference between Giuliani and Clinton; not one.

One issue nitpickers will doom us...

I'd like to see one issue where Giuliani and Clinton aren't arm-in-arm. 

59 posted on 10/11/2007 8:23:28 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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