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To: calcowgirl
OK, fine, stick with your crooked 'Rats then. Because that's all the choice you're going to have. I'm not agreeing with Schwarzenegger's policies. I am saying that for the recall election you had with him against Davis/Bustamente, at least you had a chance to change things by going with Arnold. It didn't work out, but for sure it wasn't going to work out with Davis/Busta. That's often the way things go in elections. They are a roll of the dice sometimes. You do the best you can and take your chances. If there were a more viable alternative in that election, where were they, and why didn't they win? You ran "true conservatives" in some of those statewide races and they got blown out. It was clear from history that the electorate had shifted. And yet you asserted that it hadn't.

Well, cripes, look at your own electoral history. Davis blew out Lungren in 1998 by 20 points. Even when he was becoming unpopular, he beat "true conservative" Simon in 2002 by 47-42. In 2004 you had Boxer clobbering Jones by 20 points. She beat Fong in 1998 by 10%. Feinstein walloped Mountjoy by 22 points in 2006. She creamed Campbell 56-38 in 2000. Look at the presidential contests. CA was reliably Republican going back to 1952, except for the conservative blowout in '64. But starting in '92, you haven't voted for a Republican/conservative presidential candidate. Not once. And you're going to sit there and tell me the electorate hasn't changed since the days of Reagan? What, did all these people who were voting Republican going back to the 1950s wake up one morning and decide to become 'Rats? Things like this don't just happen. When you're faced with this kind of sea change in electoral makeup, you have to scramble. When the chance came along to remove an unpopular and corrupt Governor, using a combination of star power and dissatisfaction with the incumbent, the party rolled the dice and took a chance on being able to change things. That was a darned sight better than sitting on the sidelines, or running someone who was bound to lose yet another election.

133 posted on 10/11/2007 6:48:56 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera; calcowgirl
What a twisted recount of history. So California won't vote conservative? Consider the spate of recent ballot propositions:

Prop 227 English only education in public schools Passed
Prop 209 No more affirmative action in State hiring or education Passed
Prop 22 Heterosexual marriage only Passed
Prop 187 No benefits for illegal aliens Passed

Simon lost to Davis by only 325,000 votes after the most incompetent campaign in history and while being stabbed in the back by his own Party. Even during the recall, internal polling showed that McClintock was the most popular candidate, but that Republicans foolishly fell for Schwarzenkaiser because "he can win." And look what happened: We were better off with Davis (and don't bother saying otherwise because calcowgirl will crush you with data).

Don't give us ‘California is a liberal state’ until you know what you are talking about.

135 posted on 10/11/2007 7:01:57 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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