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GOP dying; a Clinton victory would shock it back to health
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 10/10/07 | Steven Greenhut

Posted on 10/10/2007 10:27:43 AM PDT by madprof98

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To: freekitty
Very stupid.

I heard some idiot caller on Hannity say that we need to go through a Jimmy Carter to get a Reagan. That person has NO historical or realistic concept of how bad things were. America basically got saved from the brink of destruction and got lucky. Hell, we are still paying for Jimmy Carter 27 years later.

41 posted on 10/10/2007 11:17:13 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Paradox
If the worst happens and the Hilldebeast becomes POTUS, I predict that her first executive order will be to dispense with the term "First Lady" in favor of "First Partner" - thereby clearing the way for her to dump slick and replace him with one of her girl pals. Or looking ahead to the first homosexual President

Heaven forbid that these scumbags get back into the White House.

It is essential for republicans to put aside their differences and get behind the nominee - whoever he may be.

42 posted on 10/10/2007 11:30:36 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: KC_Conspirator
I heard some idiot caller on Hannity say that we need to go through a Jimmy Carter to get a Reagan. That person has NO historical or realistic concept of how bad things were. America basically got saved from the brink of destruction and got lucky. Hell, we are still paying for Jimmy Carter 27 years later.

It's really a stupid thing to say. If we had re-elected Ford we could have avoided the disaster of the Carter years and still had Reagan when the time came. That's what people need to understand. We don't need to lose to win. We win by winning. Why can't people understand that?

43 posted on 10/10/2007 11:36:32 AM PDT by chimera
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To: oldbill
Anything they do can be undone in the long term

Don't be so sure. Stalinism is as Stalinism does: the 'Rats will rig the system through gerrymandering, amnesty for illegal aliens, and outright fraud to prevent a Republican comeback from ever happening.

44 posted on 10/10/2007 11:38:31 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: madprof98

The really smart tactic of the Clinton campaign is to get Republicans to move her way and destroy their party in the future.

She may be evil but she isn’t dumb.


45 posted on 10/10/2007 11:39:18 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Churchillspirit
I predict that her first executive order will be to dispense with the term "First Lady" in favor of "First Partner"

Naah, that'll be the 2nd. The first will be re-enactment of the 'Fairness Doctrine' by fiat.

46 posted on 10/10/2007 11:40:13 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: madprof98

Greenhut indeed has a libertarian bent and he recently bolted from the Republican Party out of disgust with big spending and other issues. But he is far from a lunatic, in fact being a great warrior for conservative causes, most recently California’s efforts to pass eminent domain legislation (that the CA GOP “leadership” got defeated with underhanded schemes).

The AJC piece is actually an excerpt of Greenhuts full column. They left out this hard-hitting part, as well as some other stuff:

http://www.ocregister.com/column/party-giuliani-republican-1881369-clinton-gop

The worst thing about Rudy: his love of government power. He showed it as a prosecutor, as he hauled supposed white-collar wrongdoers out of their Wall Street offices in handcuffs in front of the TV cameras, and as mayor as he defended even the most egregious abuses of police power, used his power to crack down on trivial offenses (jumping subway turnstiles, jaywalking, loitering). He constantly exploits 9/11 and his role in it and has earned millions of dollars giving speeches about that fateful day. This Giuliani quotation, from a 1994 speech, sums up his philosophy: “Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it.”


47 posted on 10/10/2007 11:41:02 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: madprof98

Great theory. Of course, it assumes that the country could survive a second Clinton administration. If not, the GOP’s resurgence would be a moot point.


48 posted on 10/10/2007 11:42:25 AM PDT by william clark (DH4WH08 - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: oldbill

Greenhut isn’t a nutjob. He’s a senior editorial writer and columnist for the
Orange Coutny Register, a right-leaning, large publication in California.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=greenhut


49 posted on 10/10/2007 11:47:53 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: snarkybob
...so why not run Rudy? He appeals to the moderate/liberal Republicans, and has the added plus of further alienating the values voters, who the moderates want to purge anyway.

PARDON ME?

His anti-gun, authoritarian principles and big government solutions, don't alienate moderate Republicans? (They DO!)

Rudy is offensive on ALL fronts, not just the "social issues" that some of you mention in trying to marginalize the "value voters."

50 posted on 10/10/2007 11:52:56 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: indylindy
The really smart tactic of the Clinton campaign is to get Republicans to move her way and destroy their party in the future. She may be evil but she isn’t dumb.

Ya mean like this? ;-)

"Most of [President] Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine"

--Rudolph Giuliani, New York Post, Jun 8, 1999 (restating RWG quote from 1996 )
''I don't think tonight's result is tragic, I guess because I'm not that partisan a person ... I think President Clinton is a good man, he's a very decent man, and the country has run pretty well.''
--Rudolph Giuliani, commenting on Bob Dole's loss in the 1996 presidential election. New York Times, Nov 7, 1996

51 posted on 10/10/2007 11:59:11 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Rooty has already said he would be for taxpayer funded abortion.

I can see there are many ..ahem.. conservatives on FR that don’t seem to have a problem with ending the life of a human. Do they also want to pay for the end of those lives?

If they do, they are not a conservative in any way they can honestly claim. They are only a Rudy rooter who I guess do not mind that the idea is not fiscally conservative by any stretch.

This is a Rudy supporter. why worry about principle or fiscal matters? We will elect our own liberal. Sick.


52 posted on 10/10/2007 12:00:51 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: LIConFem

Its a lot like saying, “The Republic is dying and Hillary is here with a pillow for its face.”


53 posted on 10/10/2007 12:04:30 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: madprof98
He is also a lunatic California libertarian

Pretty stupid premise. I remember back in 1992, when somebody in (the nominally libertarian) Reason magazine endorsed Bill Clinton for much the same reason.

And we all know how well that worked....

54 posted on 10/10/2007 12:05:23 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: calcowgirl; Liz

Out of those two comments alone, Hillary could forge the perfect campaign ad.

Vote for me, and Rudy has approved this ad! LOL!


55 posted on 10/10/2007 12:05:24 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: KC Burke

More like: The Republic is dying and Hillary is here to sit on its face.


56 posted on 10/10/2007 12:06:26 PM PDT by null and void (Lib-uh-rulz can't foresee even the clearest consequences to their actions...)
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To: madprof98

Please note that after the 2006 losses, pro-war conservatives are already throwing in the towel for 2008, rather than turning to the obvious candidate who can actually beat Hillary: Ron Paul. It seems like some conservatives have a death wish on that issue.


57 posted on 10/10/2007 12:06:29 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: indylindy

They are pretty easy to pick out, aren’t they.

I never considered myself a “values voter” or a “social conservative.” I’m usually much more concerned with economic issues.

That some try to paint Rudy as only liberal on “social issues” is a bald-faced lie (IMO).


58 posted on 10/10/2007 12:07:50 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Captain Kirk
rather than turning to the obvious candidate who can actually beat Hillary: Ron Paul.

There might be a wet spot left, after the Clinton/MSM steamroller gets finished with Ron Paul....

59 posted on 10/10/2007 12:08:14 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Captain Kirk
I'm sorry, but I simply can't vote for a man who thinks we should withdraw from the WOT and sit quivering behind our open borders.

Even if the Hildabeast turns the WOT into a global Vietnam, it will mostly be fought in the various Turdistans elsewhere.

60 posted on 10/10/2007 12:12:34 PM PDT by null and void (Lib-uh-rulz can't foresee even the clearest consequences to their actions...)
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