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To: calcowgirl
If they are undocumented, how does anybody prove that they are actually there? And, just who is in charge of providing the official count of people who aren’t there?
6 posted on 10/07/2007 2:02:16 PM PDT by Bernard (The only fair tax is the tax that taxes you and not me.)
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To: Bernard
They use the same "drive-by" methodology to count the homeless. In the case of illegals, I agree with a previous poster where if they are "un-documented", they are not technically HERE, and foreign citizens who ARE here are not part of this country's population, in ANY case.

This crap has no end, and we need to establish a bounty system for U.S. Citizens who turn in an illegal. WE could SAVE Billions this way, and it sure would clean up this mess.

8 posted on 10/07/2007 2:05:48 PM PDT by traditional1 ( Fred Thompson-The ONLY electable Republican Candidate)
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To: Bernard
If they are undocumented, how does anybody prove that they are actually there?

They're probably only undocumented in Mexico because they have documentation out the wazoo in the US - welfare, registered democrats, school enrollment, government housing, paychecks, bank accounts, home ownership, drivers licenses, jail time, unpaid hospital bills, etc.

9 posted on 10/07/2007 2:06:55 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Bernard

If they are undocumented, how does anybody prove that they are actually there? And, just who is in charge of providing the official count of people who aren’t there?

I agree. I worked on the last census in New Orleans, Louisiana. The workers go to apartments for up to three times. Usually no one answers. You can only go to the apartment so many times and then move on. You can only guess who lives there. The ones who answer the doors say 3 live there when 8 actually live there. In an apartment situation, it it impossible to count who lives there and the neighbors will not help you. Seeing that there are thousands of apartments in NO and Metairie you can see that the census can really be scewed. I did input of data from the census so I know the problems the people had in the field. I don’t think it is possible to even guess how many illegals are in this country.


36 posted on 10/07/2007 3:11:07 PM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Bernard

Why isn’t citizenship a requirement of being counted towards congressional allocation? Sounds like an issue conservatives could use to their advantage. I still can’t figure out why conservatives don’t push harder nationwide for voter verification laws. It should be in the national platform. It is a simple proposition only citizens should vote.

It is an easy win and it would benefit them at the ballot box and it automatically puts the Democrats at a disadvantage. The segments that the Democrats can manipulate on the issue aren’t going to change and I see the issue as one that could crack up the Democrat black coalition which is becoming increasingly strained because blacks rightly see a threat to their political power with the growing illegal alien populations with more money being funneling into bilingual education and special classes for illegal immigrants. Also school districts are being designed to offload illegal immigrants and the poor into schools away from the more affluent.

Illegal aliens and homosexuality are two issues that could be used to permanently change the political landscape in relationship to black minorities. I’d make sure every mailbox in black communities received the latest literature promoting homosexual clubs in their schools. You don’t have to make anything up. Just make sure that black churches receive packages of DNC talking points on gay rights and illegal aliens. Just put it right up in their faces with flyer’s from planned parenthood encouraging little black girls to get abortions. I’ve never understood why Republicans are so uncomfortable with blacks who are in some ways more conservative than they on social issues.

I know, I know, Republicans don’t play that way but they sure as hell lose by letting Democrats play masquerade on these issues. It is an embarrassment that Democrats have achieved parity or dominance in the mind of the general public even on many traditionally conservative issues.


43 posted on 10/07/2007 3:22:52 PM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Bernard

“If they are undocumented, how does anybody prove that they are actually there? And, just who is in charge of providing the official count of people who aren’t there?”

There’ve been many posts since your #6, so this might have been answered. But census forms do not ask citizenship, or make any attempt to determine if an individual is legal or illegal.

The census promises that the information obtained will be shared with no other agency (not immigration, or IRS, or others). This is done to get maximum cooperation since more than a few people in the US might have reason to fear certain government agencies having information about them.

Of course, this policy allows illegals to be counted like actual citizens, and they count toward congressional representation and figure in for dividing revenue for various government programs.

I doubt the policy will change, because they think promising no disclosure of information to other agencies is necessary to get the most participation in the census.


50 posted on 10/07/2007 5:32:27 PM PDT by Will88
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