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To: Diamond; betty boop; xzins
bb, I think you and xins have deftly illustrated the fallacy of the Euthyphro Dilemma.

Thanks for pointing me to those two posts. I was hoping to be elightened but I think Betty and xzins haven't addressed the point of the dilemma. Not hard to do, I admit, given the opacity of the prose.

The dilemma basically asks, is God-based goodness arbitrary. Betty and xzins have argued only one side, namely that, based on their conception of God, He must not have been constrained in his choice of good. But they have neglected the conslusion on the other side of the dilemma, namely that if God exercised free will to choose what is good, then goodness is arbitrary. If unconstrained, He could instead have chosen the exact opposite of what he did choose so that hating your neighbor is good and loving him is bad.

That's not to say their conclusion is wrong, it's just that folks find the idea that goodness is arbitrarily chosen unsettling. But then, folks also don't like it the other way either, hence the dilemma.

197 posted on 10/16/2007 5:55:20 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edsheppa; betty boop; Alamo-Girl

I’m not familiar with the dilemma, but off the top of my head, I’d say we must begin with revelation to solve such a question.

What has been revealed is that “God is good.”

Now that we know the conclusion, I can begin looking for a “how we got there.”

I used to like the answers in the back of my math books for just that reason. I could then go figure out how to get there.

:>)


198 posted on 10/16/2007 6:03:37 PM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, we can win the presidency)
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