[dennisw]

Yeah, me too. Drunks die in jail drunk tanks every day. Choke on their own vomit, hang themselves with their underwear, etc. What’s the hubbub, Bub?

The hubbub is that this happened to a Gotbaum. Very well known and connected NYC Democrat family. Victor headed up a labor union (garbage men I believe) and jousted with Mayor Lindsay (Linseed on Batman TV show) back in the day - 1966 or so

[CholeraJoe]

One wonders why someone from NYC has to fly all the way across the country for residential alcohol rehab? Despite all of the hype and all of the gymnastics, virtually every residential program in the country has the same long term sobriety rate - about 20%.

Despite almost everyone's belief to the contrary, residential alcohol rehab has not been proven more effective than any other type of program with strong emphasis on AA.