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To: trisham; MHGinTN
If you want to know what we believe, instead of what someone else "says" we believe, go to www.mormon.org. If I wanted to know a particular about Catholics I would ask you or a priest, or someone else representing Catholicism. I certainly wouldn't go to an anti-Catholic site for information.

The idea of the pentagram being associated with the occult is a modern invention, much like the rainbow being associated with homosexuality. That you have bought into that falsehood, MHGinTN, is more proof that you know nothing of the ancient origins of your Christian faith. The five pointed star was used anciently to represent the “Sons of God”. The six pointed star was used to represent the “fixed” stars in the heavens. Both are seen on the Temple. The inverted star is also associated with “The Morning Star”- and no, that doesn’t mean we worship Venus. The Hebrews knew nothing about that Greek god."The Morning Star" is a reference to Christ found repeatedly in the Revelation of John and the title "Morning Stars" used in the book of Hebrews to refer to the righteous. Its symbolism is rich in the declarations of the Son of God coming from the east, which is where that “star” is seen in the morning- heralding the return of light and knowledge. And so it carries that same symbolism. Much like Jesus Christ taught in parables so that those who had ears to hear might hear- likewise, symbols are used generously in the Temple to both reveal and conceal according to the understanding one has sought from Heavenly Father and their preparedness to receive further instructionn. MHGinTN I am sure is equally opposed to the rich symbolism found in the Catholic Church- in its rites and sacraments. I'm sure he believed the DaVinci Code was an accurate representation of Catholic leadership.

As for the oxen under the baptismal font, there are twelve of them, representing the twelve tribes of Isreal. Surrounding the tabernacle itself, in the Old Testament, was a large enclosed area protected by woven hangings attached to a movable wall. In this courtyard was located the altar of burnt offerings (altar of sacrifice) and the laver of water for the symbolic cleansing of hands and feet. In Solomon’s day, when a permanent temple was constructed, the laver was set on the backs of twelve oxen. You can find this in 1 Kings 7:23–26.

MHGinTN and his ilk throw around all kinds of lies and falsehoods. We have to clean up behind him or people come away with the wrong idea of what we believe and why. It is detestable, really, because they know exactly what they are doing. We counter their claims with facts and then they move to a different thread and repeat the exact same lie.

320 posted on 10/04/2007 8:18:41 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: DanielLongo; Jim Robinson
Oh, I think readers can easily see that Mormonism Apologists are all about denigrating Orthodox Christianity in order to lower standards to where their false prophet will be adorable.

It is also a hallmark of the deceivers functioning as Mormonism Apologists that you try to mischaracterize and put words in the mouths of those who are a thorn in your deceitful sides ... like that despicable effort to sow discord between me and my Catholic Christian brethren:
"MHGinTN I am sure is equally opposed to the rich symbolism found in the Catholic Church- in its rites and sacraments; I'm sure he believed the DaVinci Code was an accurate representation of Catholic leadership.

This despicable characteristic to sow fabricated accusations by your Mormonism apologists is quite telling, and found in far too many of you to be coinkydink. Telling too that it happens so often on Romney threads ... tell MItt his team strategy to condescend and shame any opposed to Mormonism is not working for we do not shrink from the field just because of your false accusations.

I'm sure a new strategy can be devised short of seeking to shut us up via threat to FR like your friend tracer has openly done.

326 posted on 10/04/2007 8:45:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: DanielLongo
likewise, symbols are used generously in the Temple to both reveal and conceal according to the understanding one has sought from Heavenly Father and their preparedness to receive further instructionn.

When I read my Bible, I do not find Jesus saying that only when I'm prepared will I receive further instruction. The truth of Jesus is written plainly for all to read and the Bible is an easily accessible work. A religion that wishes to hide the truth is reminiscent of a faith that has much to hide from its own parishoners. Hiding knowledge is a deceitful tactic that does not further the love of Christ... which is for all to receive.

348 posted on 10/04/2007 10:43:47 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: DanielLongo

Thanks for the link, and the thoughtful post.


390 posted on 10/05/2007 5:22:17 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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