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I too find it hard to swallow that the people in the GOP would be that stupid to form a third party thinking they could actually win.

Hillary would win in a landslide if that happens. If Christian Conservatives insist on this, they are ensuring 8 more years of the Clintons.

I am rather disgusted the the attitudes of people who are so blinded by their hatred of Rudy that they obviously don't give a rat's patoot that their arrogance is in Hillary's favor. She's banking on the Useful Idiots of the Republican Party to push her over the top. Looks like she outsmarted them again.

Hillary would win in a landslide if that happens. If Christian Conservatives insist on this, they are ensuring 8 more years of the Clintons.

No allowing Hillary to win is the only way to have a chance a conservative President in four years. Giuliani would guarantee a liberal in the White House for eight years.

Worse, a Giuliani Presidency assures a shrinking Republican minority in Congress while a Hillary Presidency sets the stage for Republicans to retake Congress as soon as 2010.

"She's banking on the Useful Idiots of the Republican Party to push her over the top. Looks like she outsmarted them again."

So, what you're saying is that someone who stands a PRINCIPLE is a stupid useful idiot? Lets say we hold our noses, and vote for Rudy. Then what do we have? A President that will want our guns, let gay marriages foster, and most importantly appoint liberals to the Supreme Court. Whats the difference????

I dont advocate "losing to win", but when the choices are a liberal for president and a liberal for president, maybe its better to vote your conscience and send a message to the GOP that they CAN NOT win the White House without their core base!!!! If Hillary is the winner of the spoils, so be it..... We seemed to do ok politically with Bill in office (Senate takeover, House expansion, etc), I think the backlash would be even more stark with Hillary in there. The Dems might not win the Senate back for 20 more years after 2010.

The GOP will keep pushing and pushing towards the center until its indistinguishable from the Dems. How does that make us the "winner"? We need to push the GOP the other way, to the right. We do that by showing that we actually have standards and actually have a line that we cant cross (2 or 3 lines in this case).

And we make fun of the blacks when they have a 90% buy in rate with the Dems, but we're being asked to do the same thing.

Sometimes you can lose the battle, but win the war, or win the battle and lose the war!!

I am rather disgusted the the attitudes of people who are so blinded by their hatred of Rudy that they obviously don't give a rat's patoot that their arrogance is in Hillary's favor.

The arrogance starts with the GOP itself so intent on sucking up to the socialist RATS over the years by compromising Conservative principles that the party has alienated Conservatives and then blame them for an outcome based on assumption.

“Hillary would win in a landslide if that happens. If Christian Conservatives insist on this, they are ensuring 8 more years of the Clintons.”

Another way of looking at this is that knowing that Rudy can’t win without the conservative base, those supporting him would be responsible for the Clinton win...

I am rather disgusted the the attitudes of people who are so blinded by their hatred of Rudy that they obviously don't give a rat's patoot that their arrogance is in Hillary's favor.

Sorta reminds one of the democRATS who are so blinded by their hatred of Pres. Bush that they'd rather see us defeated by our enemies.

>>>I too find it hard to swallow that the people in the GOP would be that stupid to form a third party thinking they could actually win.

I find it hard to swallow that people in the GOP would be so stupid to support and nominate the liberal Giuliani when all evidence points to guaranteed disaster.

>>>I am rather disgusted the the attitudes of people who are so blinded by their hatred of Rudy that they obviously don't give a rat's patoot that their arrogance is in Hillary's favor.

I am rather disgusted with the attitudes of people who are so blinded by adulation and celebrity that they refuse to acknowledge that Rudy is nothing more than a RAT with an (R) next to his name.

>>>She's banking on the Useful Idiots of the Republican Party to push her over the top. Looks like she outsmarted them again.

Rudy is banking on the Useful Idiots of the Republican Party to support him based on his mythical celebrity legacy and not on his record of liberalism well founded in his public career.