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To: Publius Valerius

“I live downtown. I see it everyday. Cleveland is broke, mostly because of mismanagement. But as you note, there are plenty of wealthy suburbs. Why? Because the folks at places like Key and Jones Day and the Clinic earn a living in Cleveland.”

The stratification can be seen in Cleveland. There are wealthy suburbs that the average person can’t afford. These are the places the doctors, lawyers and executives live. Then, further out, you find places the average joe can afford. Wasn’t always that way.
Mismanagement is a huge part, Cleveland is a liberal stronghold. But, there are less and less “average” jobs in the area, so the people in Cleveland, and the near suburbs are poor. No one in their right mind would live in Cleveland and send their child to Cleveland public schools if they had options to do otherwise.
Cleveland has never been worse. If it werent’ for RITA, Cleveland would barely exist.

Go ahead, take another bite... it really is chocolate pudding!


89 posted on 10/04/2007 8:30:56 AM PDT by brownsfan (America has "jumped the shark")
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To: brownsfan
There are wealthy suburbs that the average person can’t afford. These are the places the doctors, lawyers and executives live. Then, further out, you find places the average joe can afford. Wasn’t always that way. Mismanagement is a huge part, Cleveland is a liberal stronghold. But, there are less and less “average” jobs in the area, so the people in Cleveland, and the near suburbs are poor.

Which is it? Are the near suburbs wealthy or are they poor? You seem to claim both. And what suburbs are you talking about? Parma and Brooklyn are close to town (less than 10 miles) and are decent, nice suburbs for blue collar folks. Cleveland Heights, which is less than five miles to downtown, contains a mix of blue and white collar folks. Avon and Avon Lake are fifteen miles from downtown and again contain a mix of people. Bratenahl. Seven Hills. Independence. Again, all nice suburbs within 10 miles of downtown in which a lot of middle class people make their homes. Really, every suburb is fine with the exception of East Cleveland.

So why don't you be specific? What suburbs are you talking about?

The simple fact of the matter is that while Cleveland itself is poor (although places like Tremont, Ohio City, and downtown are becoming "happening" places to live for wealthier, younger folks), the suburbs are all pretty nice places to live, thanks to the opportunities available in the "defunct" rust belt city.

197 posted on 10/04/2007 11:05:19 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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