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To: GeorgefromGeorgia; wagglebee; xzins
Don’t insult me by accusing me of not having principles because I don’t agree with your position on abortion.

I asked you whether you had any CORE principles. I suspect that you, like most people, do have plenty of principles, but the questions is whether or not you are willing to sacrifice those principles for political expediency? If they are CORE principles, then you would not be willing to sacrifice them.

I don’t believe in abortion on demand, especially mid and late term abortions, but I don’t object to limited abortions.

Why? If the thing being aborted is not a human being, then why would you care if it is removed from the womb? If it were just a glob of tissue, then nobody would care if it were removed. The fact that you don't believe in "abortion on demand" suggests to me that you believe that there is a human being in the womb, and if that is true, then abortion is murder.

In my opinion, going back to making criminals of women that choose abortion is not good policy.

They never made criminals out of the women. They made criminals out of the doctors.

Better policy is to facilitate adoption, discourage abortion with better education.

What would we teach? That fetuses are not human beings or that they are human beings?

If the former, then why should we discourage abortion at all?

If the latter, then why should we permit abortion at all?

138 posted on 10/05/2007 7:02:44 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
If the former, then why should we discourage abortion at all?

If the latter, then why should we permit abortion at all?

Why indeed? Excellent questions and sound logic P-M.

146 posted on 10/05/2007 7:43:37 AM PDT by epow ("The best we can hope for the people is that they be suitably armed" Alexander Hamilton)
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To: P-Marlowe
At one time it was a crime for a woman to get a abortion.

“Why? If the thing being aborted is not a human being, then why would you care if it is removed from the womb? If it were just a glob of tissue, then nobody would care if it were removed. The fact that you don’t believe in “abortion on demand” suggests to me that you believe that there is a human being in the womb, and if that is true, then abortion is murder.”

This is an excellent question, and I have had this discussion on several occasions with doctors, religious leaders and ethicists. Your view is that at conception there is human life. That view is not absurd to be cast aside as out of hand. However, is a 24 hour fertilized egg a human being? Many doctors will tell you that they do NOT believe that is a human being. My Episcopal Priest explained to me once that the Catholic Church once condoned early term abortions. I know that many Catholics get very angry when this argument is used, but there is some historical evidence of this.
Of course, history does not decide this issue. Does science? I tend to think so, but I am not 100% sure on that. I suppose it many depend on faith.
Obviously, some believe based on faith that a newly conceived fetus is a human being, even before the brain or basic organs are formed. Some do not believe this?
My Daughter had a an ectopic pregnancy. She could have died from that had the physician not ended that pregnancy. Is that taking a human life. By your definition, I would presume it would. Was the doctor a murderer because he saved my Daughter’s life. I know some might believe so. Of course, you might justify ending the ectopic pregnancy on the basis that it was doomed, however methphysicially, this there was still, according to your definition, a human being.
On another note, I frequently ask freepers that respond to the abortion issue as you have what they would do if their Wife or Daughter was raped and became pregnant. 99% of them NEVER respond to this question. Is abortion the better choice than continuing a pregnancy that may psychology damage a loved one?

147 posted on 10/05/2007 7:50:30 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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