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To: Smokin' Joe

You must consider the consequences of your actions. If your actions help elect somebody like Hillary Clinton, why should anybody care about your motivations or how you feel about your vote?

This is iteration number 2,846,984 of this argument, of course. That is the reason I advocate scaling back the core Republican platform to something we can all agree on, and being silent on everything else.

The current Republican Party has no core values. It is a collection of people who have core values, but the core values of group A have nothing to do with those of Group B, and Group C is completely out in Right Field. This is not a recipe for long-term electoral success.


19 posted on 10/04/2007 5:26:23 AM PDT by gridlock (C'mon people now / Smile on your Brother / Everybody get together / Try to love one anoth-kaBOOM!)
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To: gridlock
You must consider the consequences of your actions. If your actions help elect somebody like Hillary Clinton, why should anybody care about your motivations or how you feel about your vote?

So, murdering babies for political expediency is OK in your book?

Voters, by and large, have core values. Your argument seems to be that the voter is required to set aside their core values and support the party's candidate because the other party's candidate is so much worse. So much for core values, huh?

Parties once had core values. The dems still do, and seem to have no problem ramming abortion, gay rights, and wealth distribution down everyone's throats when they have the chance. The pubbies have decided they can be just like the dems, only a little less so. So the Republican voter has to side with the dem-lite just because the dem-heavy is a little worse?

If your core value - the overriding principle that guides your conscience - is winning elections, then you are welcome to your method of exercising your vote. But your sanctimony and recriminations against others who hold different issues as sacred is childishly petulant.

Scaling back the "core Republican platform" to exclude some of the defining issues, such as abortion, is tantamount to a phrase that ends with "... and the horse you rode in on!".

Conservatives have long told the African-American community that the dems only want to "keep them on the plantation", never addressing the issues important to that group. Now, you are advocating founding just such a plantation for Christian conservatives within the Republican party. No thanks.

21 posted on 10/04/2007 5:52:12 AM PDT by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: gridlock
You must consider the consequences of your actions.

I have.

Eternal damnation for condoning the murder of babies, unhindered by a Democrat versus eternal damnation for condoning the murder of babies, unhindered by a Republican, versus casting my vote for someone who will, given the opportunity, do something to shut down the murder mills.

Frankly, we religious types don't give a rat's ass what any earthly person thinks of our vote. This isssue and my actions are between me and my God.

Should the rest of humanity jump off the cliff, I should follow?

No.

There will come a time when we are indeed accountable for our actions.

Will Hillary promote the slaying of babies in the womb more than Rudy?

Izzat so?

I cannot condone murder, period.

I will not vote for a candidate who will not at least attempt to slow the torrent of innocent blood which is shed each and every year since Roe.

It is a matter of conscience.

I don't want Hillary, but I won't sell my soul to keep her out.

So if the rest of the party wants their candidate to win, or is going to blame us if they do not, maybe they ahould get off their frigging high horse and consider that there are some issues on which some of us will. not. compromise.

Murder is murder, and I won't vote for those who uphold it as good, no matter what their party affiliation.

24 posted on 10/04/2007 6:25:26 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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