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To: puroresu
Do you find America itself distasteful for its many past “failures” to live up to current standards of Political Correctness?

Interesting rhetorical tactic. Would you say that the notion that slavery is wrong is "Political Correctness"?

One of the things I love about my country is its ability and resourcefulness in correcting the mistakes it makes.

Is it “neo-patriarchal mythology” to glorify the Founding Fathers?

Another interesting rehetorical tactic - you here attempt to conflate support for the Founding Fathers' with support for the architects of the Confederacy as if they were equivalent - as if the people who founded the Union were somehow no different than the people who tried to destroy it.

After all, they didn’t support women’s suffrage or “abortion rights”.

I don't believe that women's suffrage was ever put before them. There certainly was no popular movement for it.

I'm not sure what women having the franchise has to do with the murder of unborn children, or what extending voting rights to women has to do with depriving children of their most basic rights.

As I review your post it seems that you live in a world where disapproving of slavery is the same as "political correctness", where founding a nation is the same as dismembering it and where women voting is the same as murdering children in cold blood.

Please rejoin me in reality at your earliest convenience.

60 posted on 10/03/2007 7:03:33 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
What you're doing is engaging in retroactive Political Correctness. This is the same nonsense that allowed the demagogues in Congress to ridicule the recent nominee for Surgeon General because he wrote in 1991 that homosexuality is unnatural.

Would you say that the notion that slavery is wrong is "Political Correctness"?

Applied retroactively? Absolutely. Do you dismiss every society that practiced slavery? If so, you'd have to include the Hebrews, the Egyptians, the Romans, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Indians, the Japanese, and yes, the Americans prior to the Emancipation Proclamation (and even that didn't free all the slaves.)

....as if the people who founded the Union were somehow no different than the people who tried to destroy it

And they founded it, how? By destroying the previous union with England.

I don't believe women's suffrage was ever put before them. There certainly was no popular movement for it.

Exactly! And you don't see the irony of your argument? Are you suggesting that morality is determined by public opinion? That it's okay to deprive women of the vote if no one cares about that issue? Following that logic, if no one is particularly bothered by slavery, then it must be okay. It only becomes "bad" when people are bothered by it. You see, this constant droning about slavery and other evils (some real, some imagined) of pre-1960s America is extremely destructive. It needs to be seen in its historical context, because once you unleash PC, it's hard to ever restrain it. Once you start down this "the Confederacy was evil because they owned slaves" road, you're setting the entire country up for ridicule and even balkanization. Because the same type of arguments, and many more, can be used against the Founding Fathers and practically every American.

That's why today, if you walk into the History or Political Science Departments of most colleges, and say nice things about America, you're met with, "Oh, yeah....the America that enslaved blacks, the America that stole land from the Indians, the America that deprived women of the vote.....". Blah, blah, blah.

The only reason I brought up abortion, as you should have known, was that it, too, is Politically Correct. I could have just as easily brought up homosexuality (notice the ridicule of General Pace?) or illegal immigration (they tried to ban a statue of Pete Wilson in San Diego because he tried to cut off welfare to people illegally in the state).

99 posted on 10/03/2007 9:39:21 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations.)
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