Dixie tradition kept alive in Brazil enclave[Confederate immigrants]

The Washington Times ^ | 02 Oct 2007 | Anton Foek

[CivilWarguy]

The Confederate draft didn’t bring a lot of draftees into the army. However, what the draft law DID do was stimulate volunteering. Many draft age southerners, faced with the draft, chose instead to volunteer. By volunteering, the men could choose their unit (usually a locally-raised one) and their branch of service (infantry, cavalry, artillery). Many regiments were raised in early 1862 of these late-coming volunteers.

The Union draft law operated somewhat the same way, with one twist. Many poor men who couldn’t afford the $300 to purchase an exemption formed what were essentially draft insurance pools, whereby 30 men would contribute $10 apiece to a pool so that if any of them was drafted, the pool could pay the $300 for the exemption. The government took the $300, and with the money raised could afford to pay those high enlistment bonuses that drew recruits.

[RedMonqey]

Nonanswer.


I see I have to spell it out to you.

Saying that " Some of my best friends are......" is usually preceded by some condemnation of ........ and is typically usually used by bigots to deflect criticisms against themselves.


Archie Bunker saying "Don't get me wrong. Some of my best friends friends are black" after making some racial stereotypical slur.

A offensive non offense defense. Got it now?

Calling the South’s most vaulted heroes "criminal conspirators" isn’t an insult?

IMHO, that puts you in the same league as the Radical Republicans who wanted Lee, Stuart and others hung as common criminals.

It is as insulting as those Leftist anti war protesters calling the Army in Iraq "murderers" and then hypocritically saying "but we support our soldiers".

[wardaddy]

What a dumbass thing to say

appropriately sourced.....

[Non-Sequitur]

...the Radical Republicans who wanted Lee, Stuart and others hung as common criminals.

I'm sure they would have had a trial first.

[wardaddy]

BTTT....

the sanctimonious here will never get it

they live to feel morally supeior at our expense...even at the price of eating their own

...their own being fellow conservatives whose voting habits are the only finger in the Big Left dyke stopping a permanent flood

some are black conservatives who just can’t stomach Dixie...that’s their problem but I will concede them that over cracker preening poseurs

[RedMonqey]

“One of the reasons why, unlike the confederate army, the U.S. didn’t need to draft 50 year old men to keep the ranks populated.”

One reason was the vast population of Free men to choose from.

And the fact that the South was losing and slowly bled white of healthy young men.

Desperation makes “impossibly” very close relations to “most likely”.

[RedMonqey]

BuglerTex: My great grandfather never wore blue

wideawake: Idiot.

Another one of your non insult insults to Southerners

Thank you for clarification and personification of the the term "Damned Yankee"

[RedMonqey]

Something most Yankees lack ...they used to have it in New England till they gave it to the Socialists.

They have run their states so well they feel it necessary to come south and instruct us on how to ruin (yes I said ruin) an society.

Go figure.

[RedMonqey]

"Don?t mess with Southron primary sources. ?Gone With The Wind?...?Gods and Generals?...?Gangs of New York?...?Outlaw Josey Wales?..."

As opposed to reliable Northern historical sources.

Uncle Tom's Cabin, Deliverance and vaulted (defaulted?) The New York Times

[RedMonqey]

I'm sure they would have had a trial first.

But not a fair trial to be sure.

[Non-Sequitur]

But not a fair trial to be sure.

As fair as could be held under the circumstances.

[Non-Sequitur]

And the fact that the South was losing and slowly bled white of healthy young men.

Or is that being bled of healty white young men? Lee himself stated his opposition to using black soldiers and his preference for white ones in a letter dated January 1865. But he also saw the need for fresh fodder and reluctantly supported the drafting of slaves and free blacks.

[wideawake]

Another one of your non insult insults to Southerners

I was not addressing "Southerners" - as my post made quite clear, I was referencing a single idiot with an irrational phobia for the color blue.

[wardaddy]

The southern black codes of 1966 were just the opposite. They didn't want the freed slaves to leave so the plantation bosses could continue to make easy money off them as in the slavery days.

You are not so ignorant as to believe that Colonel.

They feared majority black rule...not unlike South Africa or Rhodesia....many areas in the Deep South are majority black....some heavily so.....their fears were not unfounded.

Come down here and take a gander at Jackson Mississippi, Mobile Alabama, Montgomery Alabama, Memphis,New Orleans, Atlanta proper....or just go north at see Detroit.

Folks feared what has happened. Rightly or wrongly.

wishing things were all rosy and pink doesn't make them so....down south Black rule is a failure...plain and simple.....sure a few black here and there have gone Cosby and that is wonderful but overall, it's worse boss than the old boss....way worse.

and you can't keep blaming us for that

we should work towards long term solutions insteads of self serving blame games dating back 150-400 years....I would start with black fatherhood....the lack of which is a far greater threat to all of us than the phantom of white racsim subtle or not that you seem glued to.

[PeaRidge]

Seems to be obvious that you seem to think that your purposeful distortions and red herrings can slip by as reasoned debate, but I wonder how many here would agree with you.

There were no “hot heads” sent to meet Lincoln to ask for peace. There were no “hot heads” summoned from the Virginia Peace Convention to meet with Lincoln. The only documented “hot heads” that had the power to force war were Northern governors and financiers, Gustavus Fox and Abraham Lincoln.

And your attempt to paint Lincoln as a Constitutional fundamentalist is put to the lie by Lincoln’s own, personal and documented words, (July 4th, 1861):

“I felt that measures, otherwise unconstitutional....whether strictly legal or not, were ventured upon under what appeared to be a popular demand and public necessity....”

His unconstitutional actions, though unchallenged and rationalized by him as being for the public good and appeals to God, remained what they were-violations of the Constitution.

Your commentary on any of that is irrelevant. Keep the opinion to yourself.

[RedMonqey]

Yes. You make it perfectly clear what you meant and it is completely understood by what you true feelings are towards Southerners.

[RedMonqey]

But he also saw the need for fresh fodder and reluctantly supported the drafting of slaves and free blacks.

And that was the Confederacy's Conundrum

At this point of the war, either one would have meant the ultimate destruction of the antebellum South(at least the Slave-Owner Aristocracy)

Use only white troops and eventually lose to Union superior numbers.

OR

Draft black men into arms and therein admit the Black Man as equal to his White counterpart. Ripping apart the sole reason/excuse for the enslavement of the African race.

Without the intervention of the European Powers. The South was doomed.

[RedMonqey]

But he also saw the need for fresh fodder and reluctantly supported the drafting of slaves and free blacks.

And that was the Confederacy's Conundrum

At this point of the war, either one would have meant the ultimate destruction of the antebellum South(at least the Slave-Owner Aristocracy)

Use only white troops and eventually lose to Union superior numbers.

OR

Draft black men into arms and therein admit the Black Man as equal to his White counterpart. Ripping apart the sole reason/excuse for the enslavement of the African race.

Without the intervention of the European Powers. The South was doomed.

[RedMonqey]

As fair as could be held under the circumstances.

Fair as defined as an black defendent tried by an all white jury in the Deep South in the fifties/ sarc.

[Non-Sequitur]

Fair as defined as an black defendent tried by an all white jury in the Deep South in the fifties/ sarc.

Davis would have had a trial by two judges and the right to the defense attorneys of his choice. Something black defendants of the 50's would have been denied. I'd say any trial of the confederate leadership would have been far more fair than any trial of Union leaders by a victorious confederacy would have been.