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To: VOA

Yeah, it was good. But two things were not mentioned.

1) Patton wanted to pincer the Nazis, but was over ruled by higher ups who insisted on full frontal assault (and essentially pushing the Nazis back into Germany across the length of the front).

2)One commentary that I recall from a war special about the BoB was from a local that lived in the area. She said that when they returned to their home after the conflict she remembres looking out across the fields early spring/late winter (it was one of the most brutal winters on record) and seen the whole field littered with these dark little circular pools a yard or so in diameter of water several yards apart. She explained that as the snow melted, the water pooled into the foxholes dug by the soldiers and so they became evident in the fields still covered in snow. She said it took her breth away to see the whole field (as far as the eye could see covered with foxholes. She said that it became apparent that they fought for every yard. She said that the foxholes would make their appearance for many years after the war, and then everybody knew spring was just around the corner.

I don’t know what to say about all the negative sentiment about the series though. Sure there’s a lot of PC nuance there, but I can get passed that. Were there incompetent officers? Certainly and without a doubt. Did the allies engage in some attrocities. Without a doubt.

WWII was as brutal as it was savage. The one poignant commentary made was that it was anticipated that soldiers couldn’t remain on the line for longer than 256 days before going mad. The chances were that the soldier had a higher risk of being dead than going mad. My question is: what do madmen do?

Here’s another poignant fact: the casualty raids for B-25 Liberator raids was 4%. That equates to a 36.7% chance of completing the tour. Standing in line and look to the guy to the right and to the left and neither would be coming home. Catch-22 stems from the psychological ramifications that set in due to the stress of such environment. Any rational and sane person would be positively freaked out of their mind ever more so as time went on until the soldier cracked (and it didn’t bother them any more). Then they were unfit for duty.

The series talks about these guys having nightmares for 50 years afterwards. The one pilot had to land the plane with his left hand because his right hand wouldn’t work any more. To this day he still periodically has troubles with a non-functioning right hand on occassion.

I can’t even conceive of one week of combat like that shown, let alone 8.5 months of non-stop combat 24/7.


22 posted on 10/02/2007 1:49:03 AM PDT by raygun (There's no real cause for concern; you're never more than 6 feet away from some kind of spider.)
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To: raygun
I don’t know what to say about all the negative sentiment about
the series though. Sure there’s a lot of PC nuance there, but I can
get passed that.


Even if the comments do lean negative during this first viewing,
there have been a modest number of positives.
And, as a first viewing, some folks (and myself at times) probably
do lean a bit hard on Burns.
But, so far, I do give Burns credit for capturing the atmospherics
of the homefront, as it fits with everything my extended family has
told me.

I will probably still say he could have gotten across the problem
of a still-segregated America and unfairness to the Japanese-Americans
in much better way, with about half the air-time.

In time, with a second viewing some day, the average rating
probably will slide more to neutral/positive.
Heck, even the Parisians had a fit when the Eiffel Tower was
put up!
23 posted on 10/02/2007 7:21:22 AM PDT by VOA
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To: raygun
Patton wanted to pincer the Nazis, but was over ruled by higher ups who insisted on full frontal assault (and essentially pushing the Nazis back into Germany

Only the Nazis? What about the rest of the German Army?

32 posted on 10/02/2007 12:38:03 PM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: raygun
Patton wanted to pincer the Nazis, but was over ruled by higher ups who insisted on full frontal assault (and essentially pushing the Nazis back into Germany across the length of the front).

The "broad front" strategy wasn't the best, tactically, but in hindsight I don't see how Ike could have played it any other way, politically. The Brits never would have stood for giving Patton the priority over them. And Churchill wanted the Brits on the left and given a priority to take out the rocket launch sites in the Low Countries, which would eventually position them in the best tank country, the North German Plain, but with slow as molasses Monty in charge.

Where I get angry about the broad front is Hurtgen Forest, where we spilled so much blood for no tactical reason. It was the classic kind of place the Pacific commanders just bypassed.

It is fun to speculate if instead of Market Garden, Patton had gotten the priority and launched a drive around the east side of the Ardennes and Rhine to threaten to cut the Germans in the Low Countries off.

33 posted on 10/02/2007 12:50:15 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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