Rancher Kills Wolf to Save Cattle, Violates Endangered Species Act

CNSNews.com ^ | October 01, 2007 | Randy Hall

[SJackson]

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[goldstategop]

The ESA doesn't give any one incentive to preserve wildlife. To protect your property rights, you'd do best to make sure endangered species can't be on your land or else your property is rendered worthless by federal bureaucrats. Its a dumb law that does the exact opposite of what its intended to accomplish.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[kittymyrib]

To maintain control of his property and investment, the prudent land owner in the US will quietly eradicate any endangered species that shows up on his land. The ESA is simply another power grab by socialists in high rises who hate the idea of individual land ownership.

[taxcontrol]

As I read this, I’m struck with the idea that a rancher could set up a trap for the wolves. Low fence, tied up livestock so that they can’t run, sprinkle some blood along the fence, set up a shooting blind, set up a video camera.

When the wolves come, turn on the camera, and take out some wolves. You have your proof that they were after your livestock and a bunch of dead wolves.

[biscuit jane]

Wolves are good for two things; keeping grants and payroll
money flowing, and bankrupting ranching families.

*bang* Good for the rancher, it’s about time for some push-back.

SSS

[Sender]

That sounds like the most effective policy for ensuring that you don't get in trouble with the ESA; ensure that there are no endangered species around.

While I admire wolves in many ways, if they were eating my expensive cattle, I'd sure as hell do something about it.

[umgud]

ESA= Shoot, shovel, shut up.
ADA= Don’t hire disabled people.
EOCC= Don’t hire minoriites.

[ANGGAPO]

They could, but that is the kind of stuff that gets the law changed for the worse for everyone.

[the OlLine Rebel]

He needs some German Shepherds or other good guarding/herding dogs to watch the flocks.

Oops, but then he’d still be liable if the dog killed a wolf.

You can’t win.

[B4Ranch]

The Endangered Species Act is wonderful because it gives you the options of #1 allowing your herd to be destroyed by the “endangered animals”, #2 “shoot, shovel and shut up” or #3 gut shoot the critters and let the poor animal crawl off to die in the woods.

#1 You’re out of business and broke.
#2 You have committed a crime by concealing the animal when you bury it. You are supposed to report it to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
#3 The bullet will pass right through the animal leaving no traceable evidence that you had anything to do with its death. However this is also the most cruel option of the three.

Which one would you choose?

[joshhiggins]

1,200 wolves is a lot. Maybe they could spare a few for reintroduction into Central Park, San Francisco, Boston, Hollywood and a few other places where wolves are more appreciated.

[biscuit jane]

You can be certain that any and all large carni/omnivores will be planted, either secretly or boldly, throughout
the rural areas of North America.

It is the envirals insurance that rural people will not be able to keep their land productive.

Here is one example project:
http://ecomafia.com/wheresthebears/index.html

[biscuit jane]

“He needs some German Shepherds or other good guarding/herding dogs to watch the flocks.”

Sorry but a dog or a few dogs are no match for a wolf pack. And make no mistake wolves do not hunt alone.

A wolf pack will turn a healthy german sheprad into
fragments of skeleton in a matter of minutes.

I’d post pictures but don’t know how ??

[monday]

“wolves, which had virtually been wiped out in the area during the 1970s but were reintroduced by federal officials in 1994.

After five yearling heifers were killed this summer,...

Cause and effect. It’s obvious that the government is responsible for the loss of his heifers and should pay for them. Specifically the people who want wolves should pay for the damage their wolves cause. Once they do that, problem solved.

[I still care]

I knew someone who made their living off real estate. He never bought coops or condos larger than 700 sq feet. Small studios were best.

I once asked him why didn’t he buy bigger ones, and he said “So I don’t have to rent to families with kids. God forbid they find lead paint or something”.

[RC2]

A German Shep is not going to kill a wolf. A Shep has about 600 pounds per square inch of biting power. The wolf has about four times that power. I raised German Sheps for a long time. They are powerful but not that powerful.

This is just a good point about the Feds taking away States rights.

[Badeye]

You are correct.

I have large dogs, well over 80 pounds, and they can be intimidating if you don’t ‘know them’.

But they wouldn’t stand a chance in this scenario.

Bottom line is as stated above. Shoot, shovel, forget.

Repeat as necessary.

And I say this as a person that whole heartedly supports the reintroduction of the wolf.

[Unrepentant VN Vet]

“Specifically the people who want wolves should pay for the damage their wolves cause. Once they do that, problem solved.”

So all I have to do is bankrupt myself and lose my ranchland while I wade through ten years’ worth of federal “justice” system to get at these socialist highrollers?

Thanks for the wisdom.

(I won’t even bother with the /sarc/)

[TexasRepublic]

SSS for sure.