Posted on 09/30/2007 1:28:52 PM PDT by Fedora
What a lying, empty and loathsome human being, this man was. . .is; and continues to be. And no redemption in sight. John Kerry is simply pathetic.
“took 188 enemy hits”
Kerry musthave pounded his fist on the deck 188 times!
AND that was just surviving basic training, not being in vietname when skerry was.
Thanks for your research/work, Fedora. Thanks to all contributors to this thread. Good one.
Is this the Christmas he spent in Cambodia which is SEARED in his brain? head? somewhere?
I would bet that Kerry falsified an after action report morre than a month later at his new command.
I'm unsure that you're not overstating the need for an after-action report as I would venture that the majority of PH's were/are issued with little reference to after-action reports and those submitting an individual for an award may often reley on oral testimony as to the circumstance.
Be that as it may, I think there's also a very real possibility that political pressure was brought to bear in terms of Kerry's first PH. Several things suggest it, not the least of which was an uncorroborated (to my knowledge) report that Kerry had already made noises about seeking congressional intervention after his petition to Hibbard was denied. Couple that with the extraordinary delay of...what?...2 MONTHS between the qualifying action and the award itself and you have a plausible time frame for the petition to flow "uphill" to congressional offices and then back down to MACV or whoever the issuing authority was. Given Kerry's close association with the "Swimmer", he seems a likely candidate for putting some congressional muscle behind Kerry's obvious interest in garnering the award.
Which brings me to a question that, perhaps, someone might have some knowledge of. If such a petition were to be processed through congressional offices, would a paper trail exist either in congressional or military records?
If so, Pulitzer anyone?
I have heard similar reports about political pressure. Where there’d be a paper trail I don’t know. The paper clues might be very slight—something as simple as an amendment to a form, as we’ve seen with the paperwork for Kerry’s Silver Star. It might help the search for a paper trail to reconstruct a witness trail—i.e., who might Kerry have gone to in order to pass his complaint to Kennedy (for instance in 1971 he often contacted Kennedy through Adam Walinsky), who might Kennedy have used to communicate with the military (my guess is it’d be someone who was a regular supporter of Kennedy on other issues, so we might look in news reports, Congressional records, etc. for records of Kennedy’s allies on military-related matters), who in the military would have passed Kennedy’s threat down the chain of command to pressure the parties responsible for amending the paperwork, etc. Getting people on the Kerry/Kennedy end of this witness chain to talk will probably be impossible, but some people on the military end may be more open to talking, at least off-the-record. No doubt some have already begun pursuing this line of inquiry, but that’s my line of thought, anyway.
Not so. Kerry revealed the other after action reports for his two other PHs. You need more than just oral testimony from the individual claiming the award.
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“Irish John” Kohn Pingeroo!
John Kerry and Christmas in Cambodia
John Kerry’s super secret diary.
ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa, went the the twin engines on John kill em all kerry’s boat (real heros have nick names like that). It was a dark and quiet night, John kill em all Kerry turned to his first mate and (in a quiet yet confident voice) said....it’s quiet...too quiet I don’t like it.
If only we can get a bit farther up river without getting spotted we’ll be able to drop off secret agent x-183.
In the blink of an eye the calm of the night was SHATTERED KAPOW KAPOW WOOOOSH BLAM BLAM the night came alive with a song of DEATH! They had sailed into a clever ambush set by Charlie (John kill em all Kerry’s long time foe.
The crew strickened with fear and unable to move turned as one to the one man who had the courage, the skill, the WILL to save them.
John kill em all Kerry like a coiled spring leapped into action (That’s what heros like to do in these kind of situations) with a sneer on his lips John kill em all Kerry THRUST the throttle forward and mzzz teraza (heros lile john kill em all Kerry like to have names for their boats) LEAPPED like a mighty stallion BAAATTLE STATIONS he shouted! Wakeing as from a dream John kill em all karry’s band of brothers to their stations.
BUDDA BUDDA BUDDA sang the quad 50s in a tune that sang death and destruction for Charlie and his commie stooges, BRRRRAAAAAPPPP the 60’s spat out a curtain of lead, BOOOOM BOOOOM the 300mm mortars adding their song to the aria of war!
Now the dirty commies would pay for DARING to attack John killl em all Kerry and his All American band of brothes! With a ferral grin John kill em all Kerry shouted DIE COMMIE SCUM! (see hero types like John kill em all Kerry say things like that, they teach them that at hero school).
Just when it looked like one more (glorious) victory for John kill em all Kerry and his gallant band of brothers, KABOOOOM commie frogmen had placed a mine (the sneeky dirty underhanded Khmer rouge bast*rds) on the sleak and deadly mzzz teraza! In a bat of an eyelash john kill em all Kerry know his gallant little steed was done for, Flinging the little mzzz teraza at the nearest nest of vipers John kill em all Kerry CHARGED straight into the muzzels of death. Afraid? Not he, John kill em all Kerry didn’t know the meaning of fear
{fear(Function): noun Etymology: Middle English fer, from Old English f[AE]r sudden danger; akin to Latin periculum attempt, peril, Greek peiran to attempt Date: 12th century 1 a : an unpleasant often strong emotion caused by anticipation or awareness of danger b (1) : an instance of this emotion (2) : a state marked by this emotion 2 : anxious concern : SOLICITUDE 3 : profound reverence and awe especially toward God 4 : reason for alarm : DANGER synonyms FEAR, DREAD, FRIGHT, ALARM, PANIC, TERROR, TREPIDATION mean painful agitation in the presence or anticipation of danger. FEAR is the most general term and implies anxiety and usually loss of courage .
DREAD usually adds the idea of intense reluctance to face or meet a person or situation and suggests aversion as well as anxiety .
FRIGHT implies the shock of sudden, startling fear .
ALARM suggests a sudden and intense awareness of immediate danger .
PANIC implies unreasoning and overmastering fear causing hysterical activity .
TERROR implies the most extreme degree of fear .
TREPIDATION adds to DREAD the implications of timidity, trembling, and hesitation.}
The boat rammed into the den of inequity, and leapping from the galllant but doomed craft a 50cal in his right hand his (trusty) M-16 in his left a 5in. cannon strapped to his back John kill em all Kerry LEAPPED into the very heart of the enemyAAAAHHHHHH he cried all the while dealing death to the left and right (hero types do stuff like that all the time, that’s why they’re hero types)
The (dirty) commies quaked in fear at this (magnificent specimen) All American hero type in a blood lust cried “It’s kill em all Kerry! Please don’t kill us, John kill em all Kerry would have none of that! Not after thier dastardly attack and mortal wounding of his (beloved) mzzz teraza, DIE YOU DIRTY COOMIS RATS, I’LL TEACH YOU TO MESS WITH MASSACHUSETTS!
And oh the carnage the ensued, So terrible was his (awesome) wrath that soon after those above him (being jealous of his superior combat skills and the love his band of brothers had for him) sent him back to the good old US of A.
Stay tuned for more advetures of John kill em all Kerry.
Coming soon “John Kerry and the agents of DOOM.”
Thank you for providing that link...it is, indeed, an eye-opener that I hadn't taken note of before and appreciate the education.
Assuming that this information is unimpeachably based on pertinent regulations and since there has been credible testimony by Hibbard, I believe, that no such after action report was ever compiled nor has such an after action report ever been produced, it seems plausible that an "oral After Action report" might have been used as the foundation for the award.
I suppose it is possible that Kerry may have represented himself to the awarding authority as the "senior commander on scene" with subsequent corroborating interviews from the alleged 2 enlisted members of the skimmer boat crew. Were that to be the case, I can't imagine that the information wasn't officially documented in some fashion. Where would that documentation be filed/copied and would it be archived?
Re Tom Tiede: A good, pro-American writer. His information was wrong re 1969, since Kerry didn’t gain any publicity until late 1970, esp. April 71 with his Senate Testimony.
The AAR, After Action Report, on Kerry’s boat doesn’t mention a single bullet hole or any other explosives damage. The boat may have hit an underwater object which knocked the heck out of its frame, windows and underwater propellers.
Alston was not on Kerry’s boat so his Democratic Convention speech for Kerry was another lie of his.
There is the possibility that another of K’s crewmen also was not there. He was wounded about Jan. 31st, 1969, and was sent to a medical hospital for treatment. Doubtful he recovered in time to rejoin Kerry’s ship before Kerry bailed out of Nam.
Kerry claimed that his Swift Boat went 5000 meters under enemy fire on the Bay Hap River. He would have been sunk if he was hit that many times, or at least he would have had dead and wounded, and the boat would have looked like swiss cheese and not been able to pull PC-3 down the river.
Rassmann’s memory is suspect since what he claimed happened to him on Kerry’s boat changed over time, and he supposedly spent a lot of time underwater, not on the surface watching the enemy shoot at him. I think the shock of hitting the water dazed him and he mistook friendly covering fire for enemy fire.
Kerry has a way of corrupting good people to lie for him. That is his legacy.
At least one AAR (After Action Report) is at the Naval Historical Center, Wash. D.C. It might have been put on the internet at www.freerepublic or the Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth about John Kerry site.
Here's one for your files that hasn't "gone away" either...courtesy of the "Wayback Machine"...(emphasis mine)
Kerry Reunites with Fellow Veteran in Iowa
Veteran says Kerry saved his life in combat; has not seen him since 1969
17, 2004
For Immediate Release
Des Moines, IAFormer Lieutenant John Kerry was reunited today with fellow Vietnam veteran Jim Rassmann, who says Kerry saved his life during combat.
On March 13, 1969, Rassmann, a Green Beret, was traveling down the Bay Hap river in a boat behind Kerry's when both were ambushed by exploding land mines and enemy fire coming from the shore. Kerry was hit in the arm, while a mine blew Rassmann's boat out of the water. With enemy fire coming from both sides of the river and swift boats evacuating from the area, Kerry's crew chose to turn their boat toward the ambush to save Rassmann.
"We were still under fire, and he was wounded at the time", recalled Rassmann. And with his boat's gunners providing suppressing fire, Kerry extended his wounded arm into the water and the two lieutenants locked arms.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040119020557/www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0117d.html
BUMP
The quote from the link (rebutting the myth, “A serviceperson can author his/her own After Action report that can be used solely as a basis for awarding a PH or other medal.”) seems to answer the question of who is qualified to write an after-action report submitted for a PH, but does it necessarily imply that an after-action report is strictly needed? The reason I ask: I’m wondering if Kerry could have submitted a medical report in place of an after-action report and thus bypassed the filing of an actual after-action report. My understanding is that Kerry went shopping for hospital corpsmen until he found one who would fill out a medical report the way he wanted it.
Will the real commander Mc Bragg please stand up!
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