You keep claiming that I need to prove that the founders were not libertarians.
But, fact is, it is you who claimed they were libertarians.
So, the burden of proof is on you, not me.
Prove that they would approve in any way of legalized drugs, prostitution, open borders, abortion, homosexualism, etc., as hardcore modern “libertarians” advocate, or that they would include the right to practice such things under the rubric of “liberty.”
Fact is, the founders were republicans, not libertarians.
As a small(l) libertarian, I have to say I agree with you. I used to maintain the delusion that the founders were Libertarians, but anyone who studies what they actually said, wrote, and DID, will realize that they were small-government republicans, maybe you could call the small-l libertarians, but alot of them were more socially conservative than most libertarians.
Heck, I wonder what Ron thinks of the (misguided?!) wars on Islamic terrorists back in the early 1800's, carried out by Jefferson and his successors?
But, fact is, it is you who claimed they were libertarians.
So, the burden of proof is on you, not me.
Incorrect. You butted into a post I made to fish hawk with the naked assertion that the "Founders were NOT libertarians." See your post #226. I rebutted with evidence. See my post #228. You have failed to answer that rebuttal with anything like evidence. Please try to keep up.
Prove that they would approve in any way of legalized drugs, prostitution, open borders, abortion, homosexualism, etc., as hardcore modern “libertarians” advocate, or that they would include the right to practice such things under the rubric of “liberty.”
See above. As well, we are not talking about what some modern libertarians believe. We are talking about whether or not the Founders were libertarians. I have provided quotes from the original three Founders I mentioned to fish hawk that support the definition of libertarian I provided. You have failed to effectively rebut. Stay on topic. The ball is (and has been) in your court.
Fact is, the founders were republicans, not libertarians.
Non-sequitur. Republicans can be libertarians and libertarians can be republicans. They are not mutually exclusive. Libertarianism refers to a political philosophy. Republicanism refers to a political structure. And all of the founders were decidedly not republicans. Some were oligarchs, some were advocates of direct democracy. Ever heard of the Anti-Federalists? Please don't complicate your posts with more naked and false assertions. Your credibility is paper-thin as it is.