Posted on 09/30/2007 10:12:11 AM PDT by traviskicks
Edited on 09/30/2007 4:01:53 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
3000 American lives that Ron Paul compares to highway deaths. Ron Paul is trash and time to dump him.
Nothing like cherry-picking individual elections to make your absurd point. Why don't you just come out and say you're against the Iraq War?
Despite his anti-war views, Paul would still be a better Commander in Chief than all the Democrats and maybe Rudy/Romney/Huckabee/Brownback.
Highway deaths? Well at leat he hasn’t compared the deaths of American soldiers to the stats on deaths of gangbangers in Chicago or New York....as many, many here have done.
Yep, go back to 1930.
I'm not against it, but I'm also against a long-term commitment there. I think all of our troops should be out by the end of the decade. That would give Iraq more than enough time to stabilize and our forces to kill as many terrorists as possible.
There's always going to be terrorists, dirtboy, regardless if we leave immediately or we stay until the year 3000.
Cherry picking? The list of pro-war Republicans who lost from 2006 is extremely long. It was the rule rather than the exception. The list of antiwar Republicans or Democrats who lost is is extremely short. Heck, Rush admitted the day after the election that the Democrats who won had effectively conservative themes on domestic policy and antiwar views. Paul, of course, won in a landslide, despite determined pro-war opposition in the primary.
Well of course, lets continue fighting the good fight, surrender our borders and sovereignty, invite our enemies in, put them on TaVa, give um a forum...Government still allows us stomp our feet and protest, just as long as we don't get too angry. We should thank them, and show our gratitude by electing the same people that have lived off our tax dollars all their lives. These people have grown old and gray being career government employees. Look how America has benefited under their leadership! Who cares if everything in the private sector is downsized or shipped over Wescrewutoo China, while flooding our own country with tens of millions with 3rd grade educations, that are so happy making 7 bucks an hour they get drunk every night.
Yippee!
Gee, maybe because just about all Republicans in the election were pro war. Duh.
Meanwhile, the leading issue among voters in exit polls was GOP corruption.
The Brits had a philosophy about Western Europe - keep the Americans in, the Germans down and the Russians out.
And now the Middle East is becoming the focal point of the global economy - Dubai, UAE, the Saudis - with all the petrodollars pouring in. This is not just about killing terrorists, but keeping a military presence in the region keeps regimes nervous.
And EEE, you're the exception - you disagree with Paul's stance on the war. Unfortunately, from what I've seen, Paul's anti-war stance is his main selling point to the bulk of his supporters - his support is higher than historical libertarian baselines.
Here, have some of this lovely wild shrimp with a Thorazine-Horseradish cocktail sauce. Yum.
Sure, but no election completely turns on one issue. It was both corruption and the war. 42 percent listed corruption and 37 percent listed Iraq in the exit polls.
At what costs though. Gates is asking for another $190 billion to sustain operations. Where is the money going to come from?
Just curious, are there any former Paul supporters out there who have sobered up and realized that Ron Paul is a flaming nut?
Given the inability of the Dems to do anything about Iraq, I'd say the war was not the leading issue they thought it was. Whereas the GOP gave voters plenty of reasons to vote against them unrelated to the war.
It's being borrowed, just as WWII was largely financed through borrowing. That's as old as war itself.
from RP’s site:
Ending the IRS
I have long been an advocate of ending the income tax and eliminating the IRS. People tell me that this is a laudable goal, but they don’t see how it would be possible. The question that I am often asked is, “How would the government pay for the services they provide, or pay their employees, if there were no income tax?”
Between 1787 and 1913, we had no permanent income tax system, and America prospered! The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified to prevent the Supreme Court from ruling the income tax unconstitutional, as it had done in 1895.
The income tax isn’t necessary to pay for government services. Few people know that every penny of the income tax is used to service federal debt, a large percentage of which is held by foreign investors and governments. Our government is borrowing nearly three billion dollars a day in order to perpetuate the welfare state and an international war-making empire. The fruits of your labor are going directly to Saudi millionaires and Chinese communist officials.
If we stop incurring this debt, we can quickly end the IRS.
Only about 42 percent of government revenue is collected through the personal income tax. During the course of the Bush presidency, government spending has increased by about 75 percent. Cutting spending to the same level it was at seven years ago would make it possible to render the personal income tax unnecessary.
If we further reduced spending to the 1992 level, we could quickly pay off our foreign debt, return our nation to solvency, and make April 15th a normal day.
Would you be comfortable with the government providing the services they did just fifteen years ago if it meant never paying income taxes again?
It is funny and sad to see FR become “Defend Big Guv And Like It Republic.” Something is in the water along the lines of the following formula: “Big Gov execesses are necessary in times of war; we will always be at war with “terror”; ergo, Big Guv will always be necessary so hug it and put an “R” after it.”
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