[betty boop]

And in looking at the probability of life from non-life with the method and math of Schroeder or Yockey, etc. the answer is negative. But I’m sure there are mathematicians at Santa Fe who would counter with other methods, most notably self-organizing complexity.

Thanks for 'splaining where the wild numbers came from, A-G! I didn't have a clue, nor any clue to their relevance to this discussion....

WRT the above italics: Good Luck to the Santa Fe group -- they have a tough row to hoe: How to account for the astronomical increase of information associated with living organisms, assuming they arise abiogenetically from inorganic materials, which possess very low rates of information, and seemingly no ability to generate "genetic algorithms" (e.g., a "guide to the system")....

Thank you so much for your excellent observations, dearest sister in Christ!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for all of your insights and encouragement, dearest sister in Christ!

All of the articles I have read thus far on self-organizing systems wrt abiogenesis have been unable to explain the rise of syntax and autonomy - even taking information as a cosmic "given" (source unknown).

Also, as you have mentioned - even with self-organizing systems (and cellular automata btw) - there are always "guides" to the system.

Order cannot rise spontaneously from an unguided physical system. Period.