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To: DieHard the Hunter
>>For example, post #3: probably looks familiar because it should. In it you suggested the suspect be hanged “by the scrotum.” To the best of my knowledge, with or without a trial, not even in Texas would playing out that particular punitive fantasy form any part of “Due Process”.<<

Understanding that you assume that those with gross punishment befitting a gross crime mean lynch mob or vigilante justice, you assume a prejudice that cannot be overcome. Pity, but you have the right to assume just as you have the right to be an “a” because of it.

Continue to champion for the molester and then explain your way out of it and many here will make assumptions about you too.

79 posted on 09/30/2007 10:18:06 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: netmilsmom; Skywalk

> Continue to champion for the molester and then explain your way out of it and many here will make assumptions about you too.

That sounds vaguely like a threat, but I’ll ignore it because it lacks conviction.

Assuming, then, that you are not in favor of lynch law and that you do support Due Process, then. In Post #72 you write:

>> Sorry FRiend, I want my world back. I want my kids to be able to ride bikes around the block without having the perps (per our sexual defenders list) watching them.

There really is only one way that can ever happen, and it’s not by wishing bad things on people whom the cops happen to arrest as mere suspects. That goes 0% the way toward making any meaningful changes.

The only way anyone can “get their world back” is by taking responsibility for delivering some of the outcomes they want in the Society that they live in. The Police can’t do more than what they are doing, neither can the Courts, neither can the Politicians. No amount of law changes or tougher sentencing will do it either. And even if Fred gets in, he’ll be in the White House for either four or eight years, and not even *he* will be able to “give you your world back.”

The average citizen has the responsibility to get involved, and we have many legal mechanisms to do so.

Things got the way that they are today because, little by little, the average citizen became disengaged, ceaced to become involved, stopped opposing the Bad Guys, and left it to the Professionals. It was a gradual erosion. And it will take gradual, incremental steps to shift things back the way they once were.

The Bad Guys do not necessarily get to win, it is not inevitable. But it will happen by default if the average citizen does nothing. You see, the Bad Guys are all Volunteers: nobody has “made” them become Bad Guys, they do it for the joy of it. And, sometimes they make money at it or gain other benefits, on the side. But, by-and-large, if offered a well-paid honest living or the opportunity to be a Bad Guy, they will Volunteer to be a Bad Guy.

To fix that, it is as simple as the average citizen Volunteering to be the Good Guy. Not necessarily just being the Nice Guy, but going that one vital step further: the one that proactively confronts the Bad Guy and crime head-on.

Skywalk has speculated in Post #70:

>> It’s funny because as a poster I’m probably known as the opposite of what DieHard suggests. Perhaps he’s more interested in railing against something because he personally experienced the criminal justice system or did work in defending the wrongly accused.

Nice guess, close but not quite. I am a stickler for Due Process because I like to see Justice done. I don’t like seeing Bad Guys wiggle off the hook on technicalities. Equally, I don’t like to see the Good Guys go to gaol due to a screw-ups in Due Process — this happens, far too regularly for my liking. And I don’t like to see the Good Guys have their reputations shredded during a trial-by-media only to find that they weren’t guilty after all. And I don’t like The System to get a free walk when it fails and lets us all down: because The System does not fail — individuals within The System fail, and aren’t often held to account when they should be.

To me, that sounds like a fair and healthy way to view things.

Skywalk is right in that personal experience *did* catalyze my viewpoints expressed in this thread, almost exactly three years ago today. Crime hit just a bit too close to home, close enough to get my attention and change my world view.

And close enough to make me do something about it.

Conservative websites are great, but like I said they can do Conservatism alot of harm if what we post to them provides ready ammunition to the Liberals to use against us. Sometimes we say things on our Conservative websites as if we were talking in the privacy of our own homes, but instead we are actually shouting all over the Internet, where anything that is posted can be lifted verbatim, and quoted either in-or-out of context: depending upon what they want to use it for. And they can do this forever: it becomes a matter of permanent public record. When this happens, as Conservatives we have done this to ourselves: it is a self-inflicted injury and, unfortunately, is usually punished as such.

So, there you have it, in bollix-aching detail. If that makes me an @$$hole for pointing this out, fine: I get called much worse things on the street by people of all different political persuasions. It does not bother in the slightest.


80 posted on 09/30/2007 6:48:42 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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