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Check Online Yourself - HPV Vaccine Now Associated with 7 Deaths, 3000+ Adverse Reports
LifeSiteNews ^ | 9/28/07 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 09/28/2007 3:13:52 PM PDT by wagglebee

WASHINGTON, September 28, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - An online database, freely available to the public, allows one to search for reported adverse effects from vaccines.  The database covering data for the United States includes the controversial Merck HPV vaccine Gardasil, identified as "HPV4" in the database.

The US Government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database indicates that there have been 7 deaths associated with administration of Gardasil.  Age is listed for four of the girls who died at: 11, 12, 15 and 19.

VAERS lists 3,137 reported adverse effects stemming from Gardasil.  The database is voluntary and thus is unlikely to include all adverse effects from the vaccine.

The database, placed online by the National Vaccine Information Center, also indicates 44 adverse effects associated with the vaccine's administration were considered "life threatening."  In 94 cases, vaccine recipients required hospitalization.

To search the database online visit:
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.html


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gardasil; hpv; hpvvaccine; moralabsolutes; teensex
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To: hocndoc

And you fully trust the clinical trials that Merck has conducted after the Vioxx debacle?


81 posted on 09/28/2007 6:32:04 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: damondonion
It almost sounds to me like EVERYBODY should be getting this vaccine, young, old, male, female, and everybody else.

Maybe everybody in your family, but not mine. Your inclusion of "everybody else" is disturbing as well.

82 posted on 09/28/2007 6:51:23 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: keepitreal

I still want my Bextra and Vioxx back.

Vioxx, Advil, all the Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory medications carry cardiac risks.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/544517


83 posted on 09/28/2007 7:56:09 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: metmom; wagglebee

A big problem with this vaccine is it does not protect against all forms of HPV , only a few strains of it. There are dozens of strains of HPV, some what they call “virulent”. HPV is way beyond epidemic proportions among sexually active (with more than one partner per lifetime, so that’s most adults one would imagine) people. This vaccine’s advertising creates an illusion that a girl can have sex and be exposed to HPV (which she almost is guaranteed to be unless her partner is a virgin), and she is protected against cervical cancer later on. That is a complete misrepresentation. She would still need to have pap smears and all the usual preventive measures against cervical dysplasia, etc.

The larger problem here really is that sexual promiscuity has caused an epidemic that is out of control. Gardisal targets only a small aspect of it. The only 100 percent guarantee against HPV infection is to remain a virgin until married, and marry a virgin. Given that, it’s easy to see why people leap at these grand promises of so-called cancer prevention, which is greatly exaggerated.


84 posted on 09/28/2007 9:26:07 PM PDT by baa39
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To: wagglebee

No, but apparently HPV is so widespread and asymptomatic that even in a marriage or monogamous relationship, (in which condoms won’t always be used), it is possible to contract it, according to another link I posted.

anyway, after reading about it, I have no interest in getting the vaccine.


85 posted on 09/29/2007 5:27:31 AM PDT by a real Sheila (stop hillary NOW!)
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To: wagglebee

What they don't tell you about vaccines may kill you

86 posted on 09/29/2007 12:18:03 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: hocndoc

No offense, but the medical establishment also thought treating menopause like a disease was a great idea, too. HRT, anyone?


87 posted on 09/29/2007 12:20:06 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: baa39

There’s new evidence that the 4 strain vaccine in fact gives partial immunity to about 8 more strains.
http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/2007/09/gardisil-protects-against-other-hpv.html


88 posted on 09/29/2007 12:23:40 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: mewzilla
Somthing else to consider...

Pneumonia Vaccine Spurs 'Superbug' Infecting Children

Could something similar happen with strains of HPV?

89 posted on 09/29/2007 12:27:12 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

Of course, it was the medical establishment that was handing antibiotics out like candy for every little sniffle, that resulted in the super-resistant strains and now this with immunizations.

And we should all rush to get a vaccine that they don’t even know if it’s effective in the long term because.........?????


90 posted on 09/29/2007 12:52:31 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Well, if someone wants to get it, as long as there’s full disclosure and it’s a choice (when it’s not a matter of a life-threatening communicable disease), fine by me. I’m just not signing up to be a guinea pig :)


91 posted on 09/29/2007 12:54:45 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

That’s another one of the overblown stories.

The problem with hormone therapy was that we were giving it to women because they were at risk for heart disease - not to treat the symptoms of menopause and not just to prevent osteoporosis.

It turns out that some women with certain types of heart disease got worse on a combination of estrogen and progesterone that was taken every day, Prempro. The ones who didn’t have heart problems in the first few years and the women who had had a hysterectomy and so could be given only estrogen didn’t have more heart attacks than the population that didn’t take the hormones.
http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZO87VGF0F&sub_cat=0

There’s also an increase in the first few years of hormone sensitive breast cancer (probably because cells that are there are stimulated) and some increase in blood clots and strokes, but less colon cancer a fewer hip fractures.

However, for most women, HRT was and is no problem. And we’re finding out that there’s some benefit for some women.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_55237.html

In the meantime, women go out and spend tons of money buying soy products, black cohosh, yam creams or evening primrose oil, without knowing the actual concentration of the active ingredient in the product they’re buying. This isn’t a criticism, but an observation - I use a few of the better researched and better formulated supplements - it’s just not “okay” because it’s “natural.” If it has an “effect” it’s bound to have side effects.
http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZSPYZT5FD&sub_cat=2002


92 posted on 09/29/2007 1:00:14 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: hocndoc; mewzilla; wagglebee
You have more excuses to defend the medical community than Carter has pills.

The US Government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database indicates that there have been 7 deaths associated with administration of Gardasil. Age is listed for four of the girls who died at: 11, 12, 15 and 19.

VAERS lists 3,137 reported adverse effects stemming from Gardasil. The database is voluntary and thus is unlikely to include all adverse effects from the vaccine.

The database, placed online by the National Vaccine Information Center, also indicates 44 adverse effects associated with the vaccine's administration were considered "life threatening." In 94 cases, vaccine recipients required hospitalization.

And what's the horrifying risk and complication level associated with PAP smears that makes you think this is a better deal?

93 posted on 09/29/2007 1:12:23 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mewzilla
There's not a worry, because the HPV doesn't mutate as fast as bacteria and viruses like influenza and HIV. There was some concern about less common existing strains moving into the gap left by the vaccine, but since it appears that there is some cross-immunity, that's not as likely.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/563089 (I'm afraid this one's subscription only - but don't know for sure)

Some have hypothesized that preventing infection from these dominant strains of HPV might open up an ecological niche for other strains to expand. Dr. Brown expressed skepticism: "When one looks at situations where there has been replacement or niche filling, these have been pathogens in which mutation is frequent and likely to occur, for example, streptococcus," he said. "In contrast, HPV has a very stable genome and replicates at about the same rate as the human genome.

"Secondly, we would expect that if fill-in would occur, we might see competition between HPV virus types. But we see just the opposite; we see cooperation. If you are infected with 16, you are more likely to be infected with additional oncogenic types."

Dr. Brown said it would be 5 to 10 years before we get a solid sense as to which of the opposing theories of niche filling could be documented with epidemiologic studies.


94 posted on 09/29/2007 1:12:41 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: hocndoc

“If it prevents one or two cases of newborn transmission and the lung and throat disease in these children, that will be a wonderful thing.”

Even if it kills many more young children and young women in the process of vaccinating the population?


95 posted on 09/29/2007 1:15:06 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: hocndoc
Overblown? FWIW...

American Cancer Society Report Finds Breast Cancer Death Rate Continues To Drop

Check out the bits on HRT.

When the medical profession manages to repeal the Law of Unintended Consequences, I'll be first in line for this stuff :)

96 posted on 09/29/2007 1:22:19 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: hocndoc
There's not a worry, because the HPV doesn't mutate as fast as bacteria and viruses like influenza and HIV.

You willing to guarantee that'll never happen? 'Cuz if you are seems to me you're bucking for Supreme Being status.

97 posted on 09/29/2007 1:24:28 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
A report from the American Cancer Society finds the breast cancer death rate in the United States continues to drop more than two percent per year, a trend that began in 1990 and is credited to progress in early detection and treatment.

Hmmmm..... early detection? Like in PAP tests?

98 posted on 09/29/2007 2:04:47 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mewzilla; webstersII; metmom

see #79 and 80 above about how to sift information.

It’s not that I’ve “got excuses.”

I’ve said that I’m not an early adopter of medicines or treatments for my patients, but that the evidence for safety and efficacy is strong for this vaccine.

It’s not quite as reliable as the sun coming up in the morning - more like the reliability of the brakes on your car. You can usually tell whether they’re working well, but when the road is slick or they start to feel funny, you pump them to check them out.

In medicine, there are some things that are fairly reliable. The test of time is one of them. The other is finding information from reliable sources and from multiple labs.


99 posted on 09/29/2007 2:07:10 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: metmom

Early detection is good. Prevention’s even better. Guiding principle of medicine is first, do no harm. Wish more in the profession would keep that in mind.


100 posted on 09/29/2007 2:08:05 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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