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To: fieldmarshaldj
It won't change with folks with your mindset standing in the way. For the 35-40% of voters (and who knows how many more that are utterly disengaged from politics there altogether, for obvious reasons of lacking in choices or leaders) in MA that haven't swallowed the kool-aid, I'm sure they would like being lumped in with "whores."

You keep on misrepresenting my position to make dubious points. My difference with you has to do with your criticism of Ogonowski because he is not "conservative" enough for you. I think that is foolish and undermines Reps trying to win elections in blue states and districts. We should be supporting them once they have been nominated as the Rep candidate. The time for "ideological purity" is in the primaries not the general election. Any Rep is better than a Dem period.

After all, if we managed to get 40% of the Senate as recently as the 1990 elections and nearly 25% of the House just in negative reaction to Dukakis, imagine what we can get going after seats with a positive agenda and hard work.

Did those 25% meet your "ideological purity test?"

Brother, if we had taken that approach with Southern states beginning in the 1950s, places like South Carolina would still look like MA does today with respect to a Democrat deathgrip, rather than being a heavily GOP state. Remember, friend, the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.

The so-called Southern strategy may kill the Rep party as a national party. The South has now become the Reps power base, but the Dems and the MSM depict it as Southern whites [aka "racists and bigots"] just changing parties from Dems to Reps. Reps are as scarce as hen's teeth in the Northeast and the Dems, primarily due to demographics, have taken over CA and the Left Coast. States like Nev, AZ, CO, and NM are trending more and more Dem. And there are even cracks appearing in the South in places like VA.

Half of the children ages 0 to 5 in America are minorities. By 2050, one in four Americans will be Hispanic. Those demographics are of some import for the future of the Rep party.

56 posted on 09/30/2007 7:48:47 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
"You keep on misrepresenting my position to make dubious points."

I've yet to make a dubious point on this thread, sir. I back my points up with facts, and the rest are putting forth potential game plays to take back these seats. You, sir, have offered nothing but a constant drumbeat of negativity and sarcasm, and have yet to put forth a single viable offensive that would attempt to have us win back these seats. Your attitude displays that of somebody who doesn't want to win back what has been lost, and it is very disturbing.

"My difference with you has to do with your criticism of Ogonowski because he is not "conservative" enough for you."

How about the MA posters telling you the same thing ? They're fed up with candidates offering them nothing but Socialist or Socialist-lite alternatives, because these are non-alternatives.

"We should be supporting them once they have been nominated as the Rep candidate. The time for "ideological purity" is in the primaries not the general election. Any Rep is better than a Dem period."

Not always. The string of RINO Governors in MA did nothing but harm the Republican party and the cause of Conservatism in the state. Liberal rodents can't inflict the kind of damage liberal RINOs do from within, and we're reaping the consequences of that.

"Did those 25% meet your "ideological purity test?"

Offer some solutions, not sarcasm.

"The so-called Southern strategy may kill the Rep party as a national party."

You have a very dubious grasp on politics, I'm afraid. Without that "Southern Strategy", the Republican party would be in the supreme minority. Did it ever occur to you that many in those states where liberalism ran amok under both parties that millions of people have voted with their feet and moved south and west ? My family did, otherwise I'd have been a New Yorker today. Without the foresight of Nixon to go into areas that had been previously hostile to the GOP, our party might've folded already. It's too bad you seem to think such vision is wrong-headed.

"The South has now become the Reps power base, but the Dems and the MSM depict it as Southern whites [aka "racists and bigots"] just changing parties from Dems to Reps."

News flash, pal. The media and the rodents can openly display bigotry towards the South and just about anything Conservative or Republican. Get it, they're leftist, and they hate us. It's that simple. Most of your old-line racist Democrats from the South died as Democrats. You'd be hard pressed to find many living examples of those old-timer Dixiecrats as Republicans today. The only one of prominence who switched was Strom Thurmond, and after he switched, he embraced Civil Rights and consistently received the highest percentage of the Black vote of any prominent Republican in the South. Of course, the media will overlook the racist trash Klansman from West Virginia (a North Carolinian by birth), that being Robert Byrd. Byrd gets a pass because he's a Democrat. You need to understand there is little point in kissing up to media types that hate you, and that you need to take your message straight to the real people.

"Reps are as scarce as hen's teeth in the Northeast and the Dems, primarily due to demographics, have taken over CA and the Left Coast."

They're not dead, yet. But RINOs are doing their damndest to kill what's left.

"States like Nev, AZ, CO, and NM are trending more and more Dem."

States swing back and forth. You'd have been sounding the alarm about Colorado in the early '70s when it went against the national trend ahead of Watergate... only to swing back to the Republicans again. Most of your states that are due to gain seats after the next apportionment are in Republican leaning ones. Take a glance at how many rodent states continue to shrivel. MA is going to have the fewest number of Congressional seats in its history (actually, it already does, and continues to shrink). ME & RI are on course to having only 1 member each, and even NH, too. NY will probably lose 2 more, and PA, too. We will do just fine as long as we stay the Conservative course and don't start falling into liberal rodent ideology and spending, which kills us every time we pursue it.

"And there are even cracks appearing in the South in places like VA."

NOVA has been trending that way for some time, because of the influx of superrich liberal big gov't types. They mess their nests where they come from and come elsewhere to successful areas to spread their cancer.

58 posted on 09/30/2007 8:25:35 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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