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To: shrinkermd
The police and the prosecutor charged him with two crimes &etc.
Senator Craig was under the gun by his local paper—the editor &etc.
The officer claimed Senator Craig would remain anonymous &etc

Your list of technicalities aside, which of the following do you dispute, or disagree with?

a) Larry Craig is a homosexual

b) Larry Craig wishes to deceive the conservative (putatively, anti-homosexual) voters who elected him, by hiding (and denying) his homosexuality

c) Larry Craig did, in fact, engage in the behavior documented by a police officer in Craig's arrest report

d) Sen. Craig engaged in this behavior because he was, in fact, soliciting gay sex from a total stranger in a public place, namely, a men's room

e) Citizens have an expectation of entering a men's room to relieve themselves without being solicited for gay sex by a pervert; therefore, it is reasonable to make and enforce laws against such behavior

f) Whether or not it's illegal, soliciting gay sex from strangers in a men's room is not acceptable behavior from a senator, whether said senator is openly gay or not

g) Senator Craig, as a lawmaker, is well versed in matters of law and is of normal or above average intelligence

h) Senator Craig was caught in an offense, arrested for it, arraigned, and voluntarily pled guilty

Since male homosexuality (point prevalence) is 4%, this means about 1 in 20 are open to Republican scorn and punishment.

Games with statistics. I find that as a profession, psychs have always played fast and loose with stats... it's all they have, really. First of all, you state matter-of-factly that 4% of males are homosexual; I don't agree and neither does this source, which can only put the number at somewhere between 1% and 10% with the caveat that "Measuring the prevalence of homosexuality is difficult because there is a lack of reliable data".

Even so, suppose for the sake of argument we use your 4%; that's not "about 1 in 20", as you say, but exactly 1 in 25! Why did you feel the need to use an egregious math error to overstate even your already overstated percentage by another 20%?

Makes me wonder who you're carrying water for, and why.

47 posted on 09/26/2007 2:29:17 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: Nervous Tick

The 4% is “point prevalence.” If you take lifetime experience it is higher. At least 5%.


55 posted on 09/26/2007 3:45:17 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Nervous Tick
Great questions in your post 47.

I doubt you're going to get any "straight" answers though.

79 posted on 09/26/2007 4:45:26 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: shrinkermd; Nervous Tick; longtermmemmory

Craig pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct. Here’s the definition.

Disorderly Conduct:
A broad term describing conduct that disturbs the peace or endangers the morals, health, or safety of a community.

BTW, the cop NEVER told Craig that he’d remain anonymous, or he’d be suing the cop for that right now, since there’s a transcript available. (thank goodness) The officer said that HE wouldn’t go to the media. Craig would have to know someone could get access to his arrest. Heck, I can do that online myself.

Here’s a good link to the transcript, to which Craig admits that he lingered outside the officer’s stall for a few minutes, WHILE all the other stalls were empty, TOOK the stall next to the officer, touched the officer’s foot, put his hand under the stall.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004044.php

All during this questioning Craig did not ONCE ask what the heck the cop was talking about (what do you mean, put my foot under the stall? What the heck is this about?). He responded as one who was familiar with the bathroom sex game, which does, by the way endanger the morals of the community.

Gotta go, but I will be back.


80 posted on 09/26/2007 5:03:32 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (I get enough exercise just pushing my luck)
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