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To: hschliemann
Thank you very much because you unknowingly are proving something I’ve said many times, Ron Paul is a political Rorschach test. People actually want to vote for themselves and they are projecting that on Paul.

Your comment is a perfect example of that, specifically in using the Unitary Executive branch principle to implement change. This is exactly what you want, and I agree in this approach.

The problem, however, is that Ron Paul doesn’t agree with you. He has spoken out often and loud against the Unitary Executive branch. He calls it Presidential dictatorship.

This again goes back to what someone else said, Paul is long on platitudes, short on specific plans. By doing this, we are, in our own minds, filling in the ‘how’ and all the details he leaves out and falsely attributing that to a specific of how Paul would do that.

This is why Paul seems to generate such an emotional response, because people have had to invest themselves into his plans in order to fill in the gaps. Instead of debating for Paul, you are subconsciously debating for yourself.

104 posted on 09/26/2007 3:49:54 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: mnehrling
This again goes back to what someone else said, Paul is long on platitudes, short on specific plans. By doing this, we are, in our own minds, filling in the ‘how’ and all the details he leaves out and falsely attributing that to a specific of how Paul would do that.

Paul isn't the only candidate in the race whose support seems to mostly come from projection. But, it does no good to warn them. They will insist on hero worship, and then shriek the loudest when they get "betrayed" because the Chosen One didn't do what they imagined he would.

For example, look at Bush. He made no secret of his immigration policy in 2000, yet some conservatives were totally shocked to find out that he didn't see the Mexican Exodus the same as they did.

Or take Arnold Schwartzenegger. They thought he was actually promising a policy when he made vague statements about "blowing up boxes". They thought he meant to change things when he promised a "top to bottom audit" of the state government. They heard what they wanted to hear.

108 posted on 09/26/2007 4:07:03 PM PDT by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: mnehrling
You sound like a parlor room psychologist.Perhaps you should consider your own projections;

Thank you very much because you unknowingly are proving something I’ve said many times...

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People actually want to vote for themselves and they are projecting that on Paul.

???Paul wants to vote for me?Paul wants to vote for himself.What a bunch of gobbbledy-gook.It only makes sense to vote for that person that most closely resembles your own personal views.Calling it projection is a psychologist looking for work.

The problem, however, is that Ron Paul doesn’t agree with you. He has spoken out often and loud against the Unitary Executive branch. He calls it Presidential dictatorship.

But I doubt very much if he believes that the president doesn't run the executive branch.Whether or not he believes in the Unitary Executive does not make that doctrine so.He may not believe in executive orders either,but it may well be that they would be required to rescind those which have already been issued.

You asked me what constitutional powers exist which give the president the authority to implement his agenda.It is very much the case that he believes there was no authority in the first place to create these agencies.

And in my answer to your first post,you know,the questions to which you NEVER received any answers,I explained that you can ask your question about ANY of the other candidates running.I can imagine,every time Romney or some other flunky nominated by the GOP expounds on an idea,to ask him "okay,you beleive that,but what differencce does it make,what can you as president do about it?

Paul is long on platitudes, short on specific plans.

The repeal of the income tax,removal of the UN,abolishment of the IRS and FRB.These are platitudes?These are not specific plans?.Oh no not for you,you demand to know before the election,exactly what it is he's going to do the morning of Jan.21,2009.According to these criteria,no-one is suited for the job.Whether the president has the power,if only the power of the bully-pulpit,is a question up for much debate.But failing to find fault with these "platitudes",you immediatley go into argument b,"How will he do it?"

This is why Paul seems to generate such an emotional response, because people have had to invest themselves into his plans in order to fill in the gaps.

You're a riot.Yes it's the Paul supporters who are emotional.How perceptive of you.You can always tell them by their bitter invectives.

Instead of debating for Paul, you are subconsciously debating for yourself.

Right. Debating for yourself.Also known as thinking

You asked for specific methods.I pointed out two.One you answered unconvincingly and the other you ignored.Then you posited that perhaps Paul supporters are lost in some kind of subconscious limbo.

But go ahead,take your favorite candidate and pose the same ridiculous burdens on them.How would they do ANYTHING on which they campaign.We do have a three part government,the president is not omnipotent.This applies to ALL the candidates.To find this as a major fault with the campaign of one is not much fault at all.In fact it speaks well of him that the only thing you can really find fault with something for which no candidate can answer..

115 posted on 09/26/2007 5:01:56 PM PDT by hschliemann
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